<p>Believe it or not, Goodfella, Wesleyan is probably one of the top five film schools in the country.</p>
<p>yeah, the topic is Brown -- not USC or NYU.</p>
<p>no, the topic was Brown vs. Wesleyan - within that CONTEXT, someone mentioned Wesleyan's film program strength to which I replied, if one is really serious about film, they'd go to USC or NYU.</p>
<p>i mean using that as an argument that Wesleyan is better (i.e. pointing to its film program) is like me saying, well, Brown has the only Egyptology undergrad dept. in the country, for those interested in that, it's the best school in the world - but that doesn't look at the bigger picture.</p>
<p>most undergrads don't care about film or Egyptology.</p>
<p>further, Wesleyan has close to ZERO name recognition - if you mention it, they are just as likely to confuse it with Wellesley - and that's the cold harsh truth.</p>
<p>AGoodfella, no offense, but what you're saying just isn't true.</p>
<p>A lof of undergrads care about film--many people wish to become actors, directors, etc. Just as many wish to become lawyers, for example. Wesleyan's Jeanine Basinger is very influential--VERY influential--in Hollywood. If a student interested in film desires to attend an elite liberal arts college with an intellectual student body, Wesleyan's probably the best choice.</p>
<p>Also, English and History--two of Wesleyan's best known departments--are fairly mainstream academic subjects, wouldn't you say?</p>
<p>As to no name recognition--perhaps if you're not moving in educated circles... However, assuming that you're educated and your friends are educated, there's little excuse for not knowing Wesleyan.</p>
<p>Come now, no more silly posts.</p>
<p>Juju, let me guess - YOU go to Wesleyan right?</p>
<p>well, I don't blame you for standing up for your school - but, really, there is no need for personal attacks.</p>
<p>as for Hollywood - Brown's influence there is just as strong as any school out there - how do I know? Just look at how many times Brown is mentioned in films, TV shows, etc. I have YET to hear Wesleyan EVER mentioned EVER.</p>
<p>Finally, my father WORKS in the industry and knows all of the head honchos of every major studio, every major director, and they ALL know how great Brown is -> it's probably the most favored school out of the Ivies for those in the creative side of the business.</p>
<p>I'm sorry but Brown is just flat out better than Wesleyan.</p>
<p>No, I went to Northwestern.</p>
<p>But let me guess? You didn't go to college yet? :)</p>
<p>That's why your profile reads Wesleyan '07 --> let me guess, you flunked out of Northwestern and then had to settle for a crap school? :)</p>
<p>(p.s... and then you have to spend the rest of your life defending why you went to Wellesley?)</p>
<p>High school-Groton
Undergrad-Northwestern, (transferred from Oxford U.)
Grad study-Wesleyan.</p>
<p>You--no analytical ability yet, nor any perspective, so I imagine you're not out of high school. Am I wrong?</p>
<p>You and your notions. :)</p>
<p>"within that CONTEXT, someone mentioned Wesleyan's film program strength to which I replied, if one is really serious about film, they'd go to USC or NYU."</p>
<p>That is completely beside the point goodfella. As others have stated, the two schools in question here are Brown and Wesleyan. Saying that if someone really wanted to major in film they should attend NYU or USC is like saying if someone really wanted to major in Biochemistry they'd attend Stanford instead of Brown. It has little relevance and you only come across as someone who is changing the topic because you've been backed into a hole. While I agree that Brown is far more competitive (as far as entrance goes), has greater name recognition, and is just plain better than Wesleyan in many areas, your statement that there are no areas where Wesleyan is better than Brown has clearly been refuted.</p>
<p>Three majors have been pointed out. Film at Wesleyan is among the best in the country. Econ at Wesleyan, one of the most common majors among students, is one of the strongest programs offered at any LAC or university. I don't know much about Wes' English dept, but evidently many consider it exceptional as well. You should consider a more logical argument if you wish to continue the discussion. Just because you don't consider Wes to be the best in the nation at these particular programs does not mean you can just disregard the point made - Wesleyan is better than Brown for several majors and there are likely others that have not been listed.</p>
<p>Man, do people LOVE to bash the Ivies on here...</p>
<p>This is the MAIN reason I registered on CC.</p>
<p>Perhaps Wesleyan's film program is one of the best and it's Econ also great, but that alone doesn't make it better than Brown.</p>
<p>As you put it brand_182, Brown is far more competitive and has far greater name recognition. Just a quick look at my own database confirms this including National Merit Scholars per capita - in which Brown is ranks in the Top 10 while Wesleyan ranks no. 30 (amongst other rankings). Brown's student body is flat out stronger than Wesleyan's and I'd like to see evidence otherwise - the numbers are fully on Brown's side.</p>
<p>I can see an argument where one can get "just as good an education" at Wesleyan, but remember agoodfella's argument was initially to counter the suggestion that Brown's affiliation with the Ivy League was the only reason it could be considered better than Wesleyan - and further, that if one stripped away that affiliation (one wonders how measuring this is even possible) that Wesleyan would be considered better - which I also disagree with wholeheartedly.</p>
<p>the_prestige,
Here is how Wesleyan might be considered "better" than Brown:
*a student who prefers liberal arts colleges to universities considers Wesleyan "better."
*a student who majors in one the aformentioned subjects considers Wesleyan's departments, (and thus Wesleyan, for his/her needs,) "better."</p>
<p>Both valid reasons--neither particularly objective, but certainly valid.
Otherwise, I agree with you--no bashing of the Ivies intended.</p>
<p>And see, no one is saying Wesleyan is "better" than Brown. Where do people honestly get off by saying that one school is entirely better than another. While goodfella may have intended to refute the argument that Brown is only good because of its ivy league label (and I agree with goodfella there), he went on to say that Brown was better than Wesleyan in every major. People provided some examples where Wesleyan is at least as good as Brown, if not better.</p>
<p>I don't think the point of the discussion is to come to the conclusion that one school is better than the other. It is all relative to what you are comparing as well as to who you are talking to and what that person wants in a school. I repeat: if I was accepted to both (dreams :D ) then I would go to Brown, even when my intended major is Economics and Wesleyan is likely to offer me an education of equal or better quality. But that is merely my personal preference. In my opinion, Brown is the better "fit" for me, and is thus the better school. Still, to say that Brown is better than Wesleyan at EVERYTHING is an argument that could easily be refuted, as has been done here.</p>
<p>i never said that Brown is better "in every major" - i said in every major category one can think of.</p>
<p>also juju - Brown is about as close to a LAC-like university as one can get - so really i can't agree with you there.</p>
<p>Right, and then people provided examples where Brown certainly wasn't better than Wesleyan, at which point you belittled their examples as well as Wesleyan's excellence in those areas by straying off topic and talking about how Wes' film isn't as good as USC and NYU (which was probably obvious to the posters). However, you didn't bother to critique English or Economics as they are both very popular majors and wouldn't support your new argument.</p>
<p>As for film (from Wiki):</p>
<p>"Wesleyan is well regarded for its film studies department. The Cinema Archives, run by renowned film historian Jeanine Basinger, documents the film industry during the 20th Century. The archives contain the personal papers of Elia Kazan, Frank Capra, Ingrid Bergman, Clint Eastwood, Martin Scorsese, John Waters, Roberto Rossellini, Gene Tierney, Raoul Walsh, and others.</p>
<p>Wesleyan's theater organizations are highly regarded. For example, Wesleyan is home to Second Stage, the first student-run college theater company in the country. Second Stage produces at least one show per weekend during the school year, either in the fully-equipped Patricelli '92 Theater or alternate spaces around campus. The '92 Theater became available for student run productions when the Center for the Arts opened in 1974, providing the Theater Department with what was then a state-of-the-art facility."</p>
<p>I agree with you that film typically isn't a major to boast about (as compared to more academic subjects), but the fact remains that Wes has one of the top film programs in the country...</p>
<p>agoodfella said:</p>
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<p>Brown's student body is flat out stronger than Wesleyan's and I'd like to see evidence otherwise - the numbers are fully on Brown's side.<</p>
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<p>Yes, and it really is too bad they can't stay at Brown forever. But, they're only allowed four years. And, who knows? Admissions trends do change, sometimes gradually; sometimes abruptly. Ask your grandparents about Rutgers. :)</p>
<p>"GotCollege? " yes plenty!!Got accepted?No</p>
<p>I’m transferring from NYU’s film program with plans of going to graduate film school and am having a hard time choosing between Brown and Wesleyan. Agoodfella’s mind=blown.</p>
<p>If only this thread wasn’t like 4 years old. The things google will dig up. But here’s my two cents if any poor, misguided souls stumbled upon this and were thinking of listening to this guy.</p>
<p>Brown has great name recognition in the entertainment industry. It seems a lot of people go there and then get into great graduate film programs and direct big movies.</p>
<p>If we’re talking about undergrad, Wesleyan’s connections are ****ing nuts. Better than NYU. Better than USC. Me even comparing them is a complete waste of this sentence, because what Wesleyan does to both of them combined is so beyond obliteration I don’t even know how to phrase it.</p>
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<p>Well that’s not saying much.</p>
<p>Wesleyan’s setting has all the excitement of a New England village and all the charm of a small, dying industrial city. The eclectic campus architecture ranges from stolid to romantic and eccentric (the arts center) to hideous (the sunken concrete arts core). The hills and trees are nice.</p>
<p>Taste in architecture aside, it’s a fine school with several distinctive features that set it apart from most other top LACs. These include its larger size, credible graduate programs, Open Curriculum, and level of research spending (highest of all LACs and far higher than any of its peer colleges in the Northeast).</p>
<p>Wesleyan is not all that much less selective than Brown. Arguments about which is “better” pretty much come down to whether you prefer a LAC or a full-scale university. When you see both schools together on an application list, that’s a clue the applicant has put a little thought into what he or she wants, rather than just marching down a ranking table.</p>
<p>^^add about 6,000 more students and you’ve got Brown (and, Tufts too, for that matter.)</p>
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haha, tell that at everyone at Wesleyan who got waitlisted/rejected at Brown, which is… everyone who didn’t apply ED to Wes.</p>
<p>not that I’m bitter or anything! go Wes!</p>