Brown's faculty is not second to its peers.

<p>Think about it. Brown spends 1/3 of the research money that schools like Chicago or Harvard spend in a given year. It also used to have 1/4th as many professors compared to prestigious graduate school oriented schools like the aforementioned. </p>

<p>Still, we have a homegrown Nobel laureate, while Duke or Michigan has absolutely none such, and we have a homegrown Sakurai prize winner this year. We have a homegrown Pulitzer prize winner, and also a homegrown Fields medalist in the mathematics faculty.</p>

<p>What else do you need for a university-college? The only shortcoming for the faculty is that there are too FEW of these people. Which isn't really necessary -- we do top research, but in less areas as huge schools do. </p>

<p>In the end, our school has elite professors, elite students, and full stop. If you want to be surrounded by many Leon Coopers, Gordon Woods, Gerald Guralniks, or David Mumfords, go to Chicago or Berkeley.</p>

<p>Besides, as long as our Star Professors' specific research areas are not harmed, it does not matter even if Chicago or Harvard makes the offer. </p>

<p>We have a small research faculty, but we also have top areas of research. The graduate school students, in relation to the research faculty, doesn't have to be as high-quality as the faculty members themselves, as long as the faculty members can do their research. You said it is rare that professors come to Brown from large prestigious research institutions, but I've seen some that do, especially assistant professors that are starting to make their mark. One prominent philosopher (and Brown's philosophy department is one of the top in the world), Charles Larmore, came from the University of Chicago Law School after having also taught at Columbia for more than 10 years. He is considered on of the top five political philosophers in the world.</p>

<p>Brown alumni that are preeminent scholars also seek to be Brown professors a lot. Both David Weil (pioneer in the field of growth economics; Brown's graduate program in growth economics was ranked 6th by the US News rankings in 2010) and Kenneth Miller are Brown faculty who used to teach at Harvard. Mark Bear, another Brown alumnus, was headed the Brain Science Lab at MIT for seventeen years before returning to Brown. Ivo Welch (a Ph.D from Chicago) came from Yale Business School in 2006. </p>

<p>On the other direction, THAT is actually rarer. Brown professors are in fact unlikely to move to other schools, except when their specific area of research is being neglected. Lars Onsager was the only notable case, most of whose Nobel winning research was done at Brown. But he won the prize while he was at Yale. But if their area of research is being kept lively alive, even star faculty wouldn't budge from Brown. Examples are Glenn Loury, David Weil, and most notably, Leon Cooper, who has been with us for over thirty years, who has even burgeoned outside of his area in particle physics toward research in neuroscience. </p>

<p>Part of the reason that we can keep our own is because we have an excessive amount of money to keep those professors. Berkeley has a lower endowment than us. The problem is whether the Brown administration is at all willing to keep the research going. Brown is stubborn when it comes to its "educational philosophy" of balancing undergraduate teaching and research, in my opinion. Recently, however, the trend to keeping research alive is becoming stronger, thanks to Ruth Simmons' Plan for Academic Enrichment. Perhaps dangerously stronger, according to those wary to protect Brown's commitment to teaching. But those two are not antithetical, as Ruth Simmons is proving now.</p>

<p>And you need to remember that our faculty are becoming better by the years, both the new ones and the oldies. The way I (humbly) see it, I'm confident that a few faculty members dedicated to Brown will win the Nobel Prize in 10 years or so.</p>

<p>There’s no need to be so insecure about your Brown education onlinepass. If you’re that unhappy with your educational experience, then I recommend that you transfer to Duke or Brown.;)</p>

<p>National Academy of Science Members:</p>

<p>Harvard: 148
Berkeley: 130
Princeton: 73
Yale: 58
Columbia: 44
Chicago: 39
Cornell: 38
Penn: 28
Michigan: 23
Duke: 18
Brown: 10
Dartmouth: 2</p>

<p>Are these Brown’s peers?</p>

<p>Those numbers are old. Also, when you take the ratio into account, means that Brown is still pursuing research that is along the lines of these schools.</p>

<p>^ Perhaps they are slightly out of date…however, they were taken directly off the NAS website: [National</a> Academy of Sciences:](<a href=“http://www.nasonline.org/site/Dir?sid=1011&view=basic&pg=srch]National”>http://www.nasonline.org/site/Dir?sid=1011&view=basic&pg=srch)</p>

<p>Thanks for starting up this thread onlinepass. I always thought Brown was a peer of all of those schools in the list provided by UCBChemEGrad. Now I’m not so sure.</p>

<p>Brown is the joke of the Ivy League.</p>

<p>1) subpar academics
2) ridiculous grade inflation
3) weak graduate programs
4) bad relationship with Wall Street
5) filled with hippies whose parents’ greatest contribution to society was attending Woodstock</p>

<p>Seriously, why would anyone even choose Brown over say Cornell?</p>

<p>By making such a defensive original post, you’ve made yourself an easy target, OP.</p>

<p>Wow, such hate. I’d prob choose Brown over Duke, all things being equal. At least Brown has a chem eng program.</p>

<p>Onlinepass, why start such a thread? Anybody who knows universities will respect Brown a great deal. It is a great university and we all know it. This thread is pointless.</p>

<p>I said this on the Brown board, but this thread could be true or false, depending on what you consider to be “Brown’s peers.”</p>

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It’s also worth noting that Brown underpays its faculty relative to its peers.</p>

<p>Prof, Assoc. Prof, Assist. Prof, Instructor
Harvard $191K, $117K, $104K, $57K
Princeton $181K, $117K, $88K, $69K
Northwestern $166K, $107K, $95K
WUStL $161K, $97K, $85K
Dartmouth $154K, $105K, $83K
Brown $146K, $92K, $79K</p>

<p>Not that it’s the whole story, of course. Berkeley and Michigan do quite well with similar pay schemes.</p>

<p>Berkeley $146K, $98K, $85K, $46K
Michigan $144K, $94K, $83K, $64K</p>

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LAC proponents have been saying this for years.</p>

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You need to compare apples to apples - in this instance, comparing the number of faculty in arts & sciences. Are you suggesting Chicago has four times as many A&S professors as Brown?</p>

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That’s extraordinarily naive. Professors leave for all sorts of reasons - more money, more prestige, better opportunities, personal reasons, etc. Absolutely no university is safe from professor plundering, up to and including Harvard. </p>

<p>Take the head of the Egyptology department, for example. He’s a very distinguished scholar, though he has no prior experience in academia (the other hires in the department are far more green - they’re all freshly minted PhDs nobody has heard of). He gets to be in charge of a department, an exorbitant salary, and a named professorship. You’d think he’d be happy, right? Yet when Harvard advertised for an Egyptology position, it drew distinguished scholars like flies, including that department head.</p>

<p>Or a classics professor, as another example. Brown was quite pleased when it drew away a professor who’d been at Chicago for a decade. They offered her a pay raise and a named professorship. She stayed for a year and headed right back to Chicago.</p>

<p>This happens virtually everywhere.</p>

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Agreed. It could easily be summarized in a much shorter way.</p>

<p>– Does Brown have star faculty? Of course. (Continuing anecdotal evidence, I could cite a “genius grant” professor lured away from Michigan to Brown.)
– Does it have them in fewer numbers than some of the other Ivies? Generally yes.
– When given a chance, would professors at Brown prefer to move up the academic food chain? Possibly.
– Has the quality of Brown’s faculty been on the rise? Yes.
– Do most students really know or care how famous their professors are? No, not really.
– Do Nobel laureates teach undergraduate chemistry better than other professors? No, not really.</p>

<p>“It’s also worth noting that Brown underpays its faculty relative to its peers.”</p>

<p>Maybe, I don’t know, but to find out you need to adjust for local cost of living disparities, which can have a dramatic effect on the net take-home, hence quality of life, that these nominal salaries can provide in each location.</p>

<p>[Cost</a> of living: Compare prices in two cities - CNNMoney.com](<a href=“http://cgi.money.cnn.com/tools/costofliving/costofliving.html]Cost”>http://cgi.money.cnn.com/tools/costofliving/costofliving.html)</p>

<p>i don’t know anyone that thinks brown’s faculty is second to its peers… i’ve only ever heard good things. OP, don’t worry so much. if you love your school, then that’s all that matters :slight_smile: </p>

<p>ps i cant wait to visit brown when hockey season starts up again ;)</p>

<p>The OP’s post reminds me of a story that a guy buried 300 ounces of gold in the ground to hide it and then put a sign on top of it saying “there is no 300 ounces of gold here”.</p>

<p>“Methinks the lady/OP doth protest too much”</p>

<p>^ This is OT but I love ur location.</p>