<p>i realize i sound like some stubborn southern conservative catholic when i say this but i'll say it anyway--BC is a catholic school in the jesuit tradition. good for the administration if they cancelled a gay dance. it's a shame that at top-notch catholic universities across the country, crucifixes are being removed from rooms, and mandatory theology courses are becoming watered down or nonexistent. i have NOTHING against gay students, and i have NOTHING against gay students at catholic universities; however, if having a gay dance cancelled at a CATHOLIC institution surprises them, they need to take a step back to re-evaluate their college decision. i do not intend to start a heated political debate on this forum; i just cannot help but become infuriated when i hear about gay protests at a jesuit university.</p>
<p>I'm with you pirt8528, and not because I am a conservative Catholic. It's because I think people are kidding themselves when they expect a Catholic institution not to act like a Catholic institution. For a gay person to go to BC is, to me, crazy. A zebra doesn't change its spots. Our family is Christian Unitarian, from a long line of liberal Protestants. Everytime a GC or any one else suggested to DS that he look at Georgetown, BC, Tulane, whatever, it made me nuts. Sure, they're all great schools. But it's not our tradition and it's not the environment I want for DS (who is by the way not gay, that's not the point). ANd I don;t think people can go to these schools and maintain that there is not a Catholic bias there.</p>
<p>^Did you mean Notre Dame when you said Tulane???</p>
<p>yeah didn't mean Tulane at all...</p>
<p>spikemom,</p>
<p>Don't know what "zebras" you been looking at but all the ones I have seen are striped. Now, a leopard is an animal of a different...er... spot. lol</p>
<p>im a non-catholic, non-christian, non-white male that goes to BC, im a muslim and i fit in perfectly here. its not a catholic school as much as it has catholic TRADITION. nobody forces you to do anything here at BC, its all about what you make of it and how you perceive it. spikemom, or whatever your name is, i know many gay people here at BC that love it here and wouldnt want to go anywhere else. so thats your own opinion, with all due respect, and i think its the wrong one so you should just not post it in here to discourage people. how about let the kids that go to the school speak for themselves, which is what im doing by correcting you.</p>
<p>Well said, zdawg, and let me add that BC's liberality regarding its catholicism has somewhat of a 'tradition' of its own, going back at least 35 years.</p>
<p>I am EXTREMELY liberal, and I beleive that you people are missing the point of college....Its not a place to group a bunch of the same people with the same beliefs, with the same orientation, etc etc...It is a place that is supposed to be diverse and varied...BC was moronic for cancelling that dance, as of now less people with a different orientation will be applying, less diversity, and feeds to BC's stigma of bieng very homogenous... Jesuit Liberal Arts College, I would like to emphasize the LIBERAL part, the opposite of conservative, maybe if you want to be aroudn the same group of peple, staying home in your approrpriate Red, redneck state is the best idea. When I come to college, I would like to meet all kinds of people, from all kinds of nationalities, traditions, beliefs etc. If BC behaved like you people wanted it to, then Intelligent students such as myself would rule it out and the school will become an All white, Catholic school. Which is something BC is NOT. I was accepted EA to Carroll, My essay was about me bieng raised by parents of two conflicting religions, and how I embraced their backgrounds and fused it to build my charectar and persue relevant interests. I know that BC isnt full of catholics, which is good. But it has alot of them, which is bad. It's 80-something% white, preppy, mostly from wealthy families. I would fit into those category's, which is the single most resounding reason (beside for Carroll having big classes) that BC is not my top choice. And deciding on a school just because of a relgion is not smart, deciding whether the school is a fit for you is.</p>
<p>Just for the record, xsuubiex, 26% of the BC undergraduate population is of URM status. That does not include an additional 10% that have International Student status. And, while I'm sure that there are many students who are not on financial aid, that would be true for nearly all private universities in the U.S.</p>
<p>We are Catholic, but our D is our least religious child! We were actually quite surprised, though thrilled, that she chose BC. She has loved everything, especially the quality of her professors and the courses they teach. She is currently studying abroad and loving her experiences there, but has expressed (on many occasions) how much she misses being at BC. </p>
<p>If you have visited BC, and have decided against it as you have indicated, I hope you will be happy at the school of your choice.</p>
<p>zdawg, of course it's my own opinion, and you cannot "correct me", you can only offer your own opinion</p>
<p>haha, or i can refute a "wrong opinion" and thus i am "correcting you" since youre passing along false information to prospective students. thanks for your input mom!</p>
<p>you sound really stupid, arrogant and ignorant for someone who goes to BC. I think people like you are more dettering than spikemom's opinion.</p>
<p>xsuubiex, i am sorry to inform you that YOU have 'missed the point' of college. first off, "liberal arts college" has NOTHING to do with anything liberal politically; to the contrary, the Jesuit tradition of liberal education is by nature one of the most traditional and conservative forms of education. It focuses on the classics, philosophy, theology, and writing. this kind of education which is NOT career/ pre-professional has been the the core of the jesuit teaching tradition since the early 1600s when the society of jesus began to open schools in Europe. second, you have reduced the college excperience to "meeting all kinds of new people." wow. while diversity in the college environment can HELP/ ADD TO the experience, it is by no means 'the point' of college. if diversity is all you want in college, look at colleges who boast high percentages of minorities, NOT a catholic school. it really is a shame that someone like you, who boasts about being "EXTREMELY liberal" and has some kind of sick fun making fun of "rednecks," would trample on something so sacred as the Jesuit teaching tradition when you obviously know nothing about it. Having attended a Jesuit high school for the last five years, I can tell you have obviously had no experience with the Jesuits. If you did, you wouldnt make a fool of yourself on this forum. i will attend washington and lee university next year; does its lack of diversity in the student body negate my college experience? are its top notch academics made void by the fact that it has the "stigma of being homogeneous"? wow. do some reading.</p>
<p>i don't understand why everyone is like "oh its a catholic school" blah blah blah. honestly - if the worst the school does is cancel a gay dance that 99.99% of students wouldn't have gone to in the first place...who cares. "acts like a catholic institution"...bc's objective (as well as every other school's) is to make money. notice how the school DOESN'T stick to strict catholic values - or catholic school steriotypes. that would be a deterrent to go there. everyone needs to reevaluate what they think is going to be a problem at bc - because i can almost guarantee you that the most "forced catholic teaching" or whatever you want to call it is going to be a guy teaching your class in a roman collar...</p>
<p>bc is no different than any of the other schools its size.</p>
<p>amen jags, thank you for further emphasizing the fact that BC has jesuit tradition and is not different at all. and yes, jags is right, the only "forced" teaching will either be a class taught by a jesuit or a theology class in which you learn about different faiths (not just the catholic faith, as im currently taking a class on islam to fulfill my theology requirement)</p>
<p>chrisso - hahahaha, all i gotta say. im not arrogant at all kid, im just trying to give people like you the right facts about the college so that you have a clear idea of what its like. say what you want buddy, as long as youre finding out some info.</p>
<p>I never said that libearl arts means liberal poltics, I never said that diversity is a main part of college..... What I'm saying is that diversity is an intergral part of college, attending camp rising sun has taught me many things about meeting new people and experiencing new cultures. Since you've never been in an enviornment that emphasizes diversity you obviously have no experience with it. And what you mention is by no means 'conservative education' if you take a close look you will see many colleges force you to take arts, sciences, social science classes before you begin your major. And you keep mentioned the 'sacred jesuit tradition', its called a core curriculum, found at many secular universities.</p>
<p>jags86,</p>
<p>You make some valid points, but BC's objective is NOT "to make money", nor is any other entity whose MISSION is education. Colleges are not businesses in the strict sense. They qualify as NON-PROFIT organizations and are thus exempted from taxation.</p>
<p>leanid, </p>
<p>whatever college's president or dean or whomever would like you to think, the objective of every college in this country is to make money. While yes, I agree with you that their mission is to provide an education - but thats also an idealistic view. schools cannot improve quality of education - or indeed even provide an education without money. Money lets schools hire better qualified/more experienced faculty, provide a better faculty to student ratio, have nicer equipment, lets schools provide better financial aid. While yes - providing an education is the overall final mission of a school - you can't support that mission without a solid foundation - and that is money.</p>
<p>also - just because something is non profit doesn't mean they don't want to make money. you can be entirely non-profit and make more money - u just in the end spend more. And when we step back and look at all the colleges with ever expanding endowments - its hard to say that they are non profit...when indeed they are making money.</p>
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<p>but thats also an idealistic view.</p>
<p>What is wrong with being idealistic?</p>