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Colleges and Universities A-Z University of Southern California
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Moreover, I think my grade cutoffs are pretty much accurate. These guys are just trying to give you a rosy picture without detailing some facts. As a matter of fact, I wouldn't be shocked if these people were naive freshmen and sophomores.

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<p>Haha I'm a first semester senior. I never said you can get an interview with GS with a GPA under a 3.5. In fact I've saying in other threads that it takes at least a 3.6-3.7 to get one, which I am right seeing that I have friends that have had interviews with GS with those GPAs. You are painting a very brash picture that is very unilateral in thinking. Why? Because you keep citing finance and acct as your basis, and the firms of those backgrounds generally have very unilateral demands. </p>

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Again, if you want to go to a program that has more respect than USC in finance, but definitely not accounting, then head to Michigan, NYU, or Berkeley Haas. I know several people at NYU that have my GPA but are working on Wall Street. Why? Because of the location and representation. It's all about how the market perceives the school and the market in I-banking is not kind to USC. If USC was indeed respected in the I-Banking profession then MrTrojanman's cutoffs would be appropriate.

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<p>And that is what I've been pushing this whole time. I said location plays a big factor and that is why I've been urging the original poster to head to NYU if he wants to work on Wall Street and to take USC over Michigan because of its location and close proximity to big name firms. </p>

<p>Also how dumb do you have to be to understand that I-banking is not kind to just USC but any West Coast school? It isn't a matter of reputation, it's a matter of how the business operates. Are you going to wake up at 4 am on the West Coast or 7 am on the East Coast? What obvious thing are you going to say next? </p>

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As for Afterhours and his lambasting of my post in that it is finance centric, um, where do you think all the jobs come from? You really think a marketing major or operations management major is going to land a high-paying job? Highly unlikely, especially given that USC's reputation in those areas is even worser than finance. Entrepreneurship? Many of these concentration people head over to work at Accounting firms or consulting firms doing consulting work. But guess which ones are selected? GASP, the 3.6's and up. How do I know? Again, I know enough people to get a feel for the marketplace and what they demand. The real money program at USC is accounting, given its high ranking and respectability in the marketplace. In this program, you will see people in the low 3's actually getting hired at the Big Four or top-tier Accounting firms.

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<p>Umm you think everyone wants to work in finance? Have you not began to think that some people want jobs because they like it? Not everyone is a finance major nor does everyone want to slave their life to a firm in order to make a lot of money. Like I said, your argument is only in tune for those that want to work at a BIG name firm. </p>

<p>Entrepreneurship majors head over to Accting and Consulting firms?! Since when? So does that mean I have a place over at Accenture right now? Give me a break! I do not know one single person in the entrepreneurship program that has any interest in a consulting or accounting program. Why? Because they would concentrate in consulting or accounting!!!! </p>

<p>Also the Trojan network is a meaningless asset kiddies since everyone wants to work at Morgan and GS. Who knows where I'd have got my funding for my company or the real-world knowledge to even successfully create the business? </p>

<p>Think of it as a blessing that you didn't get an interview at GS. I wouldn't wish 100 hr weeks and cold calls to any of my fellow graduates, especially for the money that they pay. But hey it's your life and you can do whatever you want with it, that's just my 2 cents.</p>

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<p>But you have to agree that the Galen center is waste of money considering our basketball team is third-tier-toilet.</p>

<p>Like you said, not everyone wants to work in big name firms. Those firms, however, provide excellent opportunities for anyone who wants to jump ship. You work at a big four and make it to senior manager or partner and you can become a CFO. If you work in Goldy Sachs and manage to get to the upper recesses of that organization then your exit opportunities are fantastic. </p>

<p>Are all west-coast schools at a disadvantage? I'd be hard-pressed to find a statistic indicating Stanford's inferiority to NYU or any of the east coast schools. Ever hear of the University of Chicago or Northwestern? Those schools are regarded as some of the best financial schools in the industry and thus are heavily recruited from. USC is just not strong and does not have the same reputation that those firms have. Moreover, UCLA is beating us in recruiting as well. How do I know this? Because the director of recruiting at our very own USC made a slip of the tongue in my 302 communications class. You say time is an issue? How so in today's diversified business environment? Yeah, there is a 3 hour time difference between New York and the west coast cities, but when an IPO occurs the firms mobilize their resources throughout the nation to underwrite the offering. Work related to underwriting is time-centric in that it is imperative that the firm and the other firms underwriting the offering do it in a manner that is efficient to the client, not whether one is in the east coast-west coast. You don't need to wake up at four in the damn morning to underwrite. That's why you have Floor Brokers or floor traders on the NYSE floor to do the dirty work of selling the stock. </p>

<p>Do consulting firms mainly hire from consulting majors? Not by a long-shot. I know McKinsey doesn't and I know for a fact that Accenture favors accounting majors. BCG hires god knows who as long as they show some sort of aptitude. </p>

<p>What kind of company do you own, anyway? Venture capital?</p>

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But you have to agree that the Galen center is waste of money considering our basketball team is third-tier-toilet.

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<p>It's a work in process. I really believe that USC will be a consistent top 4 team in the Pac-10 in 3 or 4 years. Floyd is a good man and a great coach, but like Carroll his personality is more apt for the college level. The man had success at Iowa State for goodness sake, you don't think he can pick up quality recruits in fertile southern california grounds? UCLA isn't exactly up to Wooden days lately, and they certainly do not have the clout to pick and choose. It's an investment that I believe will pay off, but USC will always be a football school ;). </p>

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Like you said, not everyone wants to work in big name firms. Those firms, however, provide excellent opportunities for anyone who wants to jump ship. You work at a big four and make it to senior manager or partner and you can become a CFO. If you work in Goldy Sachs and manage to get to the upper recesses of that organization then your exit opportunities are fantastic.

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<p>Well that's the premise for those wanting to go to big 4's and big name companies. They want to build the necessary experience for them to jump ship later on and get paid exorbitant money while working less. But what is your point in saying this? I said not everyone wants to work at big name firms, thus my "rosy" picture to why USC is a great choice to those pursuing business as a major makes sense. You wrote my original post off as nothing more than a homer statement. </p>

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Are all west-coast schools at a disadvantage? I'd be hard-pressed to find a statistic indicating Stanford's inferiority to NYU or any of the east coast schools. Ever hear of the University of Chicago or Northwestern? Those schools are regarded as some of the best financial schools in the industry and thus are heavily recruited from.

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<p>I guarantee you NYU has more graduates working in Wall Street than Stanford. This isn't a matter of reputation as you implicity state, it is a matter of proximity and familiarity. Take Harvard and stick it in the middle of the Atlantic and then tell the graduates to compete with a school of good repute but not on the same level, and you'll find more employees from the lesser ranked school. Recruiters could give a flying you know what to whether a kid came out of a school that is ranked 10 places higher than another, it's about how you come off and where you are amongst your peers. </p>

<p>Yes I've heard of UChic and Northwestern, but funny I thought we were talking about undergraduate business programs because last I heard those two schools didn't have UG biz-programs. There's a far cry in the recruiting process of MBA grads versus UG grads, so I really think this point is moot. </p>

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USC is just not strong and does not have the same reputation that those firms have. Moreover, UCLA is beating us in recruiting as well. How do I know this? Because the director of recruiting at our very own USC made a slip of the tongue in my 302 communications class.

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<p>I'll let you in on a little secret.... you do know that GS is very slowly pulling out of UCLA right? Do you know why? It's because of recent push Marshall has made (wonder why we were added to GS recruiting list). But let's keep that a secret between us. </p>

<p>UCLA has been beating us in recruiting because they simply have been attracting better students for some time now. This is a odd time for USC, we've made such leaps academically and garnered so much accolades that really we are in a situation of our parents buying us too big of clothes in anticipation of our expected real growth. The fact is, we are supposed to be this top flight business school that rivals the best, but we are not there yet and I'll be the first to admit it. But with each class that graduates you can expect major changes in the next 5 years. UCLA is already 2nd choice (oh yes I said it) in southern california for UG biz recruiters, and the gap is going to widen. </p>

<p>Let me let you in on another secret.... USC is getting tons of flak for having a UG biz program. It's true, go ask administration, I'm sure they'll tell you. </p>

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You say time is an issue? How so in today's diversified business environment? Yeah, there is a 3 hour time difference between New York and the west coast cities, but when an IPO occurs the firms mobilize their resources throughout the nation to underwrite the offering. Work related to underwriting is time-centric in that it is imperative that the firm and the other firms underwriting the offering do it in a manner that is efficient to the client, not whether one is in the east coast-west coast. You don't need to wake up at four in the damn morning to underwrite. That's why you have Floor Brokers or floor traders on the NYSE floor to do the dirty work of selling the stock.

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<p>You are talking about a very small division here. What you said above does not prove any point other than the fact that most GS operations are done in the East. </p>

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Do consulting firms mainly hire from consulting majors? Not by a long-shot. I know McKinsey doesn't and I know for a fact that Accenture favors accounting majors. BCG hires god knows who as long as they show some sort of aptitude.

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<p>You'll find the occasional kid that gets picked up but it is certainly not one of common occurence. </p>

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What kind of company do you own, anyway? Venture capital?

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<p>A senior in college owning a VC firm, I guess I can take that as a compliment ;). I own an export & logistics company. </p>

<p>You're probably brighter than myself... I bet if you worked 50 hrs a week in constructing a business, feasibility analysis, and business plan I bet you'd be making 3x what you'd be making at GS at half the work. I'm a fairly average student and if I can do it anybody can. Just curious what draws you to GS so much?</p>

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<p>since when were we talkig about b ball? didint we just secure TWO national titles in FOOTBALL?</p>

<p>yes, those info sessions help. somebody hasnt been going. like i said, why would they even come? go to ucla's career center website, they dont have any info sessions.</p>

<p>i dont think ucla's recruiting is beter than USC just b/c a prof let slip of his tongue.</p>

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<p>also, the only better schools in cali for biz is haas and stanford econ. maybe caltechs econ. thats not bad at all considering how many schools we have in general.</p>

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<p>I'm more interested in the exit opportunities of a GS or Big Four. I plan on heading to law school after my stint at the Big Four and then will make my entreprenuerial move after I've gained substantial experience in Accounting and the Legal atmosphere. I'm more of a finance-oriented individual, that's why I'm focused on top-tier banks. </p>

<p>I think I might know who you are. Are you in the accounting school? Because I know a guy in it that owns his own business.</p>

<p>I think you're a unique situation though. Probably a dynamic personality and expertise led to those investments pouring into your business. I mean, it isn't everyday you see a student owning their own business.</p>

<p>I've actually been to those info sessions before. I just wish the Business School was more direct with the companies like Leventhal in that they bring them in so we can meet who we will eventually be interviewing with. </p>

<p>Well, it may be true that NYU has more graduates on Wall Street than Stanford, but that doesn't mean they are better per-capita. Stanford students or students at better schools will most likely have better options than working on Wall Street (e.g. Top Tier Law Schools or Top Flight Ph.d programs). Yes, NYU has an advantage in geographic proximity relative to peer schools. But against a Stanford and Harvard or even Michigan business? No way. Those schools have national reach and they do better per-capita in employment. NYU can beat the crap out of us as far as Wall Street employment is concerned, but they will not change the perception that they are inferior to the Ivy Leagues and Pseudo Ivies (MIT, Stanford, etc). </p>

<p>I should've clarified my stance on USC business. In my personal view, the school's intellectual level is not great. As a matter of fact, it freakin stinks. Sure, you can get a decent business education, but for those without the capital to start their own business or the backing of a money major (Accounting or Finance) they will be working at a taco stand if they do badly in one of the "soft" majors. That's why I have an inherent disgust for the rosy picture.</p>

<p>Yeah, GS operations are done in the east. But that doesn't prevent them from doing business in the west, especially considering the west's proximity to the pacific rim. I brought up the underwriting definition and example to illustrate that the point operations are done in the east is moot. Why? Because of technology and in the manner underwriting is done. These guys price stocks and rain-make, that's their bread and butter. The fact is, you're going to get the same number of people hired in the east as you are in the west nowadays. </p>

<p>This is the first year GS has actively recruited on campus, so maybe they are moving away from UCLA. I'm guessing you're saying this because of inside info?</p>

<p>To sum up my argument is that USC is a good B-School, but not a school that employees will dig deep into other than the Big Four. Yeah, you can learn about business at this school, but if you don't have the financial backing to create your own business (ala Josh Schwartz, Alan Casden, etc) then you are definitely screwed given less than stellar grades. In other words, you can't do anything else with a USC Biz Degree other than wipe it on your ass, given the less than stellar grades assumption.</p>

<p>Man, I don't know about Floyd. Coach K is extending his reach into the southland now as are most national coaches.</p>

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<p>Honestly, it all depends on the firm. Some of them have known for awhile that USC each year gets consistently stronger academically while others still think it's the USC of pre President Sample.</p>

<p>I was speaking with a Merril recruiter at UCLA who had no idea I was from USC who said, "to be frank with you, even though most of our incoming analysts come from the Ivies or Stanfords, we much prefer grads from UCLA and USC - you know, schools with more than just an econ major in terms of business. Those econ kids out of Stanford have never seen a balance sheet in their life, while you and USC Marshall undergrads have the chance to work with them daily."</p>

<p>Conversely, a JP Morgan recruiter I was chatting with mentioned offhand that no west coast school, save Stanford and Cal, were "targeted schools" and that getting a job with Morgan out of 'SC would take quite the initiative but was doable.</p>

<p>As for the Trojan Network, it really does exist. Sure, maybe not in the exaggerated way admissions and PR would like you to believe, but much stronger than any other school in my experiences save maaaaybe Notre Dame but they're weak in business. Case in point, my friend was at a student group meeting for a finance association. Apparently, an alum who worked for Smith Barney was just slated to make an unofficial presentation for Smith Barney, but concluded the informal info session with "and because I'm an alumnus, just for you guys I'll be holding interviews for our summer analyst programs down the hall in half an hour." Basically, some people walked right into a prestigous internship just for going to some normal club meeting thanks to an alumnus.</p>

<p>Yes, sometimes USC is played up. But it's played up for a reason. You can't exaggerate something that is nonexistent.</p>

<p>As for basketball, the Galen Center is no waste of money. Hav eyou been to the Sports Arena? Part of the reason we suck is because it's hard to woo recruits by saying "this is where you'll be playing." You can't expect to lure the best by showing them crap. Also, the best players right now, Nick Young and Gabe Pruitt, are freshman. I'm optimistic.</p>

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I'm more interested in the exit opportunities of a GS or Big Four. I plan on heading to law school after my stint at the Big Four and then will make my entreprenuerial move after I've gained substantial experience in Accounting and the Legal atmosphere. I'm more of a finance-oriented individual, that's why I'm focused on top-tier banks.

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<p>My point is that not everyone has the same focus as you. Let's get back to the original reason why I even posted in this topic: to help these seniors understand what Marshall has to offer. Did I say that USC was the supreme business school in the land? No. Did I say it was better than Ivies or Pseudo-Ivies? No. I said it was a school that can offer you great opportunities and in lesser dense area (USC and UCLA owning So. Cal) and also give you the fallback of alumni support. </p>

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I think I might know who you are. Are you in the accounting school? Because I know a guy in it that owns his own business.</p>

<p>I think you're a unique situation though. Probably a dynamic personality and expertise led to those investments pouring into your business. I mean, it isn't everyday you see a student owning their own business.

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<p>No I am not in the accounting school. You'd be surprised at how many kids own their own business or at least are on the cusp of owning their own business. </p>

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Well, it may be true that NYU has more graduates on Wall Street than Stanford, but that doesn't mean they are better per-capita. Stanford students or students at better schools will most likely have better options than working on Wall Street (e.g. Top Tier Law Schools or Top Flight Ph.d programs). Yes, NYU has an advantage in geographic proximity relative to peer schools. But against a Stanford and Harvard or even Michigan business? No way. Those schools have national reach and they do better per-capita in employment. NYU can beat the crap out of us as far as Wall Street employment is concerned, but they will not change the perception that they are inferior to the Ivy Leagues and Pseudo Ivies (MIT, Stanford, etc).

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<p>NYU is ranked higher in finance than all of those schools you listed above and takes a backseat behind only one Ivy and that's Wharton. </p>

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I should've clarified my stance on USC business. In my personal view, the school's intellectual level is not great. As a matter of fact, it freakin stinks. Sure, you can get a decent business education, but for those without the capital to start their own business or the backing of a money major (Accounting or Finance) they will be working at a taco stand if they do badly in one of the "soft" majors. That's why I have an inherent disgust for the rosy picture.

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<p>You know what I'll agree with you to an extent, I have met a lot of clueless but at the same time I've met some of the most amazing kids. But, I personally think that this is a fact at any top business school (except for top 5). You are going to meet the legit kids that test well but also are intellectual and you'll meet the kids that only test well and really are nothing more. </p>

<p>Also your taco stand comment is the same for any business school in the nation, it is not just unique to USC. </p>

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Yeah, GS operations are done in the east. But that doesn't prevent them from doing business in the west, especially considering the west's proximity to the pacific rim. I brought up the underwriting definition and example to illustrate that the point operations are done in the east is moot. Why? Because of technology and in the manner underwriting is done. These guys price stocks and rain-make, that's their bread and butter. The fact is, you're going to get the same number of people hired in the east as you are in the west nowadays.

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<p>Please provide the stats for this part. I don't believe it at all and would like to see how you came to this conclusion. </p>

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This is the first year GS has actively recruited on campus, so maybe they are moving away from UCLA. I'm guessing you're saying this because of inside info?

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<p>Well you can say that... I don't want to spill too much info on a public board, but yes, Marshall's recent moves are changing the landscape a bit. </p>

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To sum up my argument is that USC is a good B-School, but not a school that employees will dig deep into other than the Big Four. Yeah, you can learn about business at this school, but if you don't have the financial backing to create your own business (ala Josh Schwartz, Alan Casden, etc) then you are definitely screwed given less than stellar grades. In other words, you can't do anything else with a USC Biz Degree other than wipe it on your ass, given the less than stellar grades assumption.

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<p>Come on now, you're telling me if you get less than stellar grades at Haas that you will be rolling in dough at some top firm? What I don't understand is why you pigeon hole USC as this university that inexplicably has this rift or gaping hole in its value and offerings while at the same time proclaiming that every other school is free of this flaw. </p>

<p>Aside from marketing, if you come out with less than stellar grades (i'm guessing 3.0 to 3.4?) in any other concentration it is very feasible to get a 40-50k job. I know because I have friends that have done it and some that have done it with even lesser grades. It's not all about GPA. Also the Marshall and USC name does carry a lot of clout in CA, so I don't know what you're talking about. </p>

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Man, I don't know about Floyd. Coach K is extending his reach into the southland now as are most national coaches.

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<p>The big programs are always going to pick the best kids from the southland, but the fact is, Floyd doesn't need to have the top kids. If Floyd can pick up 4-stars and the occasional 5-star blue chipper then he is well on his way to being in the top 4 in the Pac-10. We would of had possibly the best class in the Pac-10 last season if it wasn't for Swift going to the NBA (I believe FoxSports had us #1). If we could do that with Bibby and the Sports Arena, imagine what we can do with Floyd and the Galen Center. </p>

<p>I see Arizona remaining on top, but no way does U-Dub and Oregon maintain their success - the latter has already fallen off. UCLA has been underachieving for quite some time, and I'm still not sold on Howland. Mark my word, USC will be a top 4 Pac-10 program in 3 or 4 years. </p>

<p>Did you watch the press conf. introducing Floyd as coach? The guy really seems like he's on it and knows what the hell he's doing.</p>

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Conversely, a JP Morgan recruiter I was chatting with mentioned offhand that no west coast school, save Stanford and Cal, were "targeted schools" and that getting a job with Morgan out of 'SC would take quite the initiative but was doable.

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<p>Actually JP Morgan is starting to recruit at SC. I remember seeing an e-mail a few weeks about JP Morgan represenative or recruiter (can't remember cause I can care less) coming on campus. </p>

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As for the Trojan Network, it really does exist. Sure, maybe not in the exaggerated way admissions and PR would like you to believe, but much stronger than any other school in my experiences save maaaaybe Notre Dame but they're weak in business.

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<p>I agree, people should definitely not think that the Trojan Network as an automatic job resource (although with a little effort and research it can turn out one), but it is very strong and prominent. I've received my internship through an alum and have had very valuable help from alums as well in creating my business. </p>

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Yes, sometimes USC is played up. But it's played up for a reason. You can't exaggerate something that is nonexistent.

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<p>I completely agree.</p>

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<p>I'm skeptical about Floyd. I mean the guy did have a crappy team in Chicago, but he could not do much with them. Hence, the really ****ty two-plus seasons in Chicago. He had an underachieving year with the Hornets, which could be explained by Mashburn's and Davis' absences. </p>

<p>At Iowa State, he had the benefit of recruiting a star point guard that wasn't being looked at anywhere. He also had one top-flight player (Marcus Fizer) during his tenure at Iowa State. </p>

<p>California's a fertile recruiting ground, but great players (Bryce Taylor, Affalo, Boykins, Keefe, etc) are looking elsewhere to play. Hopefully, he can turn USC into a draft breeding ground to field a national championship caliber team someday.</p>

<p>I think we'll be decent, just not national championship material.</p>

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I'm skeptical about Floyd. I mean the guy did have a crappy team in Chicago, but he could not do much with them. Hence, the really ****ty two-plus seasons in Chicago. He had an underachieving year with the Hornets, which could be explained by Mashburn's and Davis' absences.</p>

<p>At Iowa State, he had the benefit of recruiting a star point guard that wasn't being looked at anywhere. He also had one top-flight player (Marcus Fizer) during his tenure at Iowa State.</p>

<p>California's a fertile recruiting ground, but great players (Bryce Taylor, Affalo, Boykins, Keefe, etc) are looking elsewhere to play. Hopefully, he can turn USC into a draft breeding ground to field a national championship caliber team someday.</p>

<p>I think we'll be decent, just not national championship material.

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<p>No way will we have a NC calibre team anytime in the future but you can expect a tourney team every year. Would you really blame a kid from CA for choosing elsewhere? We had a militant "no fun" coach and the run down Sports Arena to boast. On top of that, who really wants to play in front of a empty arena and be backseat to the football team when they can go play at U-Dub, UCLA, UA, or Oregon? This new arena will do wonders for this program, at least in terms of recruiting. Kids want to come to Southern Cal for a reason and USC is a hot school in general lately. </p>

<p>Also we have Lod, Gabe, and N. Young for the future and they look promising. Floyd needs big men immediately, but give him 3-4 years to develop a solid front court and this team is destined for the tourney.</p>

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<p>just a brief comment on the Trojan Network, from a guy who worked in college recruiting with PWC for many years, and who also has an MBT from SC.</p>

<p>LA big business if chock full of SC grads. so too are the affiliated business associations such as the jonathan and california clubs. the major private golf courses are well represented by successful SC alums. SC is part of the fabric of LA life, and not only in business. it's a unique school. maybe it's the history, or the nature of being private, or being in a downtown setting, wish I could explain it. but an SC alum WILL open a door for an SC grad because of that bond, make no mistake. </p>

<p>however, make no mistake, smart SC alums will still go with the best candidate regardless of school so you must do your best. make no mistake there is a network here in town and you will benefit and i'm sure you have already learned how to use the network as undergrads.</p>

<p>while at PWC in the mid 80's there was a sudden sea change in the recruiting focus. out of our national office a directive came for LA to recruit only at SC and UCLA (for accounting majors). there was to be emphasis only on the blue chip schools and it was to be down regionally. schools like Northridge, Fullerton, UCSB, were effectively limited in hiring opportunities unless there were some significant reasons present (and this when CSUN might've had the best CPA exam passing rate or performance in the country) and there were many alums from those schools at partner level in LA so it wasn't a popular decision to all.</p>

<p>but that's the nature of going to an SC. things like that happen and you benefit. all the blue chips, and fortune 500s, and the techs, and the service industry, will be on campus at SC. there is far too much money flowing into the school and it allows the school in return to give you opportunities in the business community to pursue. it's like Jack's "circle" in Meet the Parents. you will be in the circle but make no mistake you need to work it.</p>

<p>i had the great pleasure of watching the orange bowl on the tube with my son the SC soph. some day he might be in an interview and the interviewer might be an alum and will ask him if he saw the 2005 orange bowl and the circle will be entered. </p>

<p>finally, don't know about tim floyd but give him a chance. process seemed to be anything but smooth. yet henry had to go. the galen center will be great for the school. only wish they started it earlier for you juniors and seniors. good luck.</p>

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<p>Great post norweejunwood. Thanks for the helpful info.</p>

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<p>let's say a student gets a rather high GPA at marshall (like a 3.8) what sort of jobs can this student get coming out of Marshall with either a business administration or accounting major?</p>

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<p>If he gets THAT high of a GPA, then he should be able to land almost any job. Cuz a 3.8 from Marshall is as rare as a blue moon...</p>

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<p>^^ AKA, Marshall is very very rigorous? Yet, not cut-throat? I want a regular life too!</p>

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<p>wow... after reading the thread, the decision just got even harder between UCB, UCLA, and USC.</p>

<p>One of the thing that prevents me from accepting UCB and not look back is the fact that it is very cut-throat. And you must reapply in your junior year for Haas. I am nothing spectacular. Maybe an above average student (at this moment at least) who is willing to try new things. </p>

<p>I have heard repeatedly that marketing is probably not the major to go for. When I was at USC, a business student actually told me that marketing concentration is not the way to make money (not that I was entirely surprised)... I want more opinions on this. I am thinking of getting a double concentration with marketing and finace then... if i am going to USC.</p>

<p>Should I go to UC Berkeley and take an enormous risk of not getting into Haas?</p>

<p>In short, I just want more information and more opinions.</p>

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<p>Just wondering, you all have compaired USC to several schools (UCLA, UCB, Stanford, NYU) but where does it compair to CMC? I know that Claremont is pretty well respected by firms. Just wondering how it compairs to Marshall.</p>

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<p>Also, what can you do with an entrepreneurship major. I'm really interested in this and am interested in eventually establishing an international business. However, I'd like experience first and I'm just curious how a Marshall entrepreneurship major plays out in the job market</p>

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<p>^^^ i would also like to know this!</p>