<p>hiii could someone please help me i am having a huge dilemma</p>
<p>Wanting to study business as a major, i need to choose between applying to UK or US colleges.. so....</p>
<p>UK - Imperial, LSE, UCL, University of Bath, Warwick, Loughborough
US - Cornell, Upenn, UCBerkeley, NYU, Boston College, University of Michigan, Washington University</p>
<p>1) From the set above, Which country is harder to get into (generally)?</p>
<p>2) Which country is better? for business major?</p>
<p>PLEASE could i have some opinions, it would help a lot
THANK YOU =)</p>
<p>For business I would recommend the US over the UK. Unfortunately for you, most of the US schools you listed will be tougher to get into for business than most of the UK schools you listed (with obvious exceptions).</p>
<p>For economics though, the UK would be better than the US.</p>
<p>Also bear in mind that economics in the UK is a much more respected field than business. Econ students are much more heavily recruited than business students -- particularly at the top schools (LSE and Warwick). </p>
<p>In the US, economics is often filled with people who couldn't get into the business school. In the UK, business programs are often filled with people who couldn't get into economics.</p>
<p>Where do you want to work afterwards? Apparently, business in the UK is different from business in the US (different laws, accounting procedures...).</p>
<p>thanks for the replys everyone =) my first thread hehe
really learnt alot.... i'm considering economics now hahah :) </p>
<p>but i feel like i have a higher chance getting into the UK schools than the US ones
and the UK schools are fairly top universitys as well so it would also be respected and renown when i apply for work or something </p>
<p>so it's either
- US, hard to get into but highly prestigious
or - UK, slightly easier to get into (well i feel more confident in getting accepted) and well renown as well</p>
<p>I'm really not sure, cause our schools limiting us to apply to only 2 countries, and one has to be hong kong ( because of my financial status)</p>
<p>PLUS i have to consider the schools' financial aid and stuff, which i know UK is more expensive...</p>
<p>In the UK, people consider business as "vocational", which is only second or third rate when compared to more "academic" pursues like economics. nauru's description is incredibly insightful and it summarises my years of obversation of the situation.</p>
<p>For a start LSE doesn't really do "business" except for its executive MBA (which it collaborates with a few other US schools). It offers things like MSc Finance and Economics and MSc Risk management, which are basically academic degrees (highly respectable and heavily head-hunted in the UK.)</p>
<p>For Imperial, it has a graduate-only business school called Tanaka and it is quite good. I remember it's MBA is top 25 in the world or something like that on FT. But the hottest commodity at Imperial that Investment banks head-hunt heavily is actually those people in the sciences side, where Imperial's traditional strength as a science school lies. Imperial has UK's best Mathematical Finance (MSc) program with heavy weights like Mark Davis as backing. MSc Computing Science graduates are also heavily recruited into the IB scene (esp. for algorithmic trading, the hardest to hire); Imperial's CS program is generally regarded as the best in the UK alongside Cambridge's. (Just a note, Tanaka also has a MSc Finance course, and even that is very mathematical according to people who have been thru it. They are a science school after all.)</p>
<p>For Business, your best bet in the UK would be Warwick Business School, and I know it offers some Business course at UG level. But again, Warwick has good BSc Econs programme (along with maths programme) and it is one of the target school for IB (along with Oxbridge, LSE, Imperial. UCL is generally out of the list because the firms believes that only LSE humanities rejects and Imperial science rejects would end up at UCL. Oxbridge rejects would end up at Warwick for the campus.)</p>
<p>As for the other UK schools, don't consider too seriously because they probably cannot land you into a front-office job with a reasonable chance. From what I heard, the situation at the UK side is better for internationals because 1. issue of work permit is more lot more lax at UK than US now 2. In the US you have 8 Ivies + MIT + stanford and half a dozen top schools competing for jobs in NY. In London, there are just about as much recruitment as in NYC but the target schools are much fewer. </p>
<p>This is from what I have heard. Hope that helps.</p>
<p>moosh: I guess Imperial LSE and Warwick gives you a much better shot at Investment banking in London than Cornell UPenn and Berkeley for NYC. There is a chronic under-supply of workforce in London. Two (out of two) of my friends who went UK to study (Manchester or UCL btw, hardly top) managed to get into good internship and stay on and work. I honestly don't think this would be the case at NYC.</p>
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I heard for US schools you would get some form of aid or loan once you get in?
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That's a completely true statement because no college admits a student who obviously cannot afford to pay for his college education. A few internationals will receive financial assistance in grants and loans, but the admission rate of students applying for aid and students who don't differ dramatically (I would guess like 2-5% vs 20-40% at UPenn). I don't have the numbers for any of the universities you are interested in, but I do happen to have Colby's numbers, a college that is less selective than the ones you are interested in. For the Colby class of 2011, about 1000 international students applied for admission and 900 of them also applied for financial aid. Only 10 out of the 900 students with financial need were admitted (with financial aid) but almost all of the other 100 who could pay the whole ride.
So chances are that you will not be admitted in the first place if you do apply for financial assistance, but if you do get accepted you will be provided with loans and/or grants to help finance your college education.</p>
<p>Btw, Berkeley, NYU, Boston College and Michigan don't give any need-based financial aid to internationals.</p>
<p>Oh so the admissions are not need-blind.... I always thought those top schools like Princeton and Yale are. Stanford is not I know, it is 3x harder to get in with need than without,</p>
<p>princeton is need-blind. i'm international and I got in on full financial aid. The poorer you are, the better because the bigger the amount of aid for which you qualify assuming you get in in the first place.</p>
<p>albert87, which country are U from?
I know American very Bias.. Singaporeans good luck! they will not believe you.
PRC, Indonesia... very very different story.
I knew ppl that fake poor.. but so rich..
have a house a nice car studying.. and got full aid for the fact he/she is poor and came from such poor countries.</p>