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<p>Two factors account for what your report off the top of my head:</p>
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<li><p>Case Western has a strong engineering school which draws students from the NE and other areas.</p></li>
<li><p>There’s parts of Upstate NY, some NYC areas*, central PA, and NJ which can be quite conservative. </p></li>
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<li>Staten Island, parts of Brooklyn like Bay Ridge, parts of Queens like Bayside, etc.<br></li>
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<p>How close do these colleges compare?</p>
<p><a href=“http://chronicle.com/article/Where-Does-Your-Freshman-Class/129547/#id=197036”>http://chronicle.com/article/Where-Does-Your-Freshman-Class/129547/#id=197036</a>
<a href=“http://chronicle.com/article/Where-Does-Your-Freshman-Class/129547/#id=164155”>http://chronicle.com/article/Where-Does-Your-Freshman-Class/129547/#id=164155</a>
<a href=“http://chronicle.com/article/Where-Does-Your-Freshman-Class/129547/#id=128328”>http://chronicle.com/article/Where-Does-Your-Freshman-Class/129547/#id=128328</a></p>
<p>The service academies also require a nomination from a senator or representative which inherently limits the number of admits from any one region. If they didn’t, they would almost certainly be far more regional in their student body.</p>
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When DS traveled from Texas to the northeast in his college years, if the first flight is about 8 AM (we need to get up like 5:40 AM), he will get to campus at 7:40 PM. It is better than 11:00 PM.</p>
<p>Well…having to get up early builds characters. Thinking back, it was actually a mild training for his current life - which demands more endurance and sleep-starvation than the innovation or sheer brain power - Actually it has a little bit similarity to some entry level work in the hi tech industry - anyone who prefers a balanced life style while young shall not enter this industry (maybe working for some exceptionally “good” companies is not like this. But that big Apple is not one of these companies.)</p>
<p>We really appreciated that he flied back home for almost every break in 4 years. (He is very much out of our nest now though.)</p>
<p>It is true that it seems most of his friends in college were from NE region.</p>
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<p>I don’t know about now, but I’ve read of accounts of how in the past someone in another district/state where a representative/senator had already nominated the maximum number of candidates enrolled at a given service academy was allowed to be nominated by a representative/senator from another district/state where his/her allotment of nominees hadn’t reached the maximum due to lack of interest/qualified applicants.</p>
<p>Also, certain applicants like children of MOH awardees do not require a nomination from a representative/senator/VP/President.</p>
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How close do these colleges compare?</p>
<p><a href=“http://chronicle.com/article/Where-Does-Your-Freshman-Class/129547/#id=197036”>http://chronicle.com/article/Where-Does-Your-Freshman-Class/129547/#id=197036</a>
<a href=“http://chronicle.com/article/Where-Does-Your-Freshman-Class/129547/#id=164155”>http://chronicle.com/article/Where-Does-Your-Freshman-Class/129547/#id=164155</a>
<a href="http://chronicle.com/article/Where-Does-Your-Freshman-Class/129547/#id=128328">http://chronicle.com/article/Where-Does-Your-Freshman-Class/129547/#id=128328</a>"</p>
<p>I would surmise the service academies are indeed closer to nationally representative.
Charts like that, though, are pure chart junk as far as I’m concerned. Yes, the size of the circles is accurate, but they aren’t done in a way that shows how it compares to the population of the state. Who cares that the circles are big in NY, CA and TX? Well duh, a lot of people live in NY, CA or TX! They’ll always be big! Don’t show me size -show me the index to fair share. They could have added the indexes onto each circle, or color coded the circles to show above average, average, and below average indexes. That would make the chart useful. </p>
<p>“Speaking at the June 12 senate meeting, Shaw said 33 percent of incoming freshmen live in California, followed by 19 percent in the South and 10.5 percent in the Mid-Atlantic. Ten percent of enrolling students were educated in other countries, including 7.6 percent who are citizens of foreign countries. The percentage of enrolling freshmen living in other parts of the United States range from 2.8 percent (Great Plains) to 7.2 percent (Far West).”</p>
<p>Again, meaningless data unless you tell me what % of the pop lives in CA, the South, etc. Why do people present data like this? </p>
<p>It’s like saying that 25% of all home invasions happen in the summer. Well, 25% of the year takes place during the summer too. </p>
<p>“I do not think this show regional bias on <em>admissions</em>. It shows that the people who <em>accept</em> admissions offers end up being from the region.”</p>
<p>I agree completely. I never claimed it showed regional bias. </p>
<p>"I would be dollars to donuts that the colleges do the math and predict how many kids from each region will accept. Thus, you could argue the converse - if the yield from Northeast region admitted students is high, then you would admit FEWER to get the same “bang for your buck” as from West region students, far less likely to accept because of geography.</p>
<p>I’d like to see % admitted from each region, and yield for each region (just a though not giving you more work "</p>
<p>I don’t have that. This is the incoming pool, not the applicant pool or the admitted pool. I’d love to have those data to do it properly - this is all that’s available to us. </p>
<p>I think it’s very plausible that the applicant pools are even more home-region concentrated AND that the yield is higher in home-region, meaning that being from far away works to your advantage because you’re more of a “novelty” and the acceptance rate has to be higher to get sufficient numbers of you. But, the data neither shows that or refutes that. </p>
<p>Geographic diversity is nice and desirable in theory.<br>
In the 1930s or the 1950s, it may really have meant something for an Ivy League college to recruit kids from outside the Northeast. How much does it mean anymore? Selective, private “national” schools are admitting large numbers of white and Asian kids whose tastes and outlook are fairly similar these days, almost regardless of their home states. </p>
<p>^This is very true. Yes, people speak differently in different regions of the country and prefer different foods, but if a college is made up primarily of middle- to upper-middle-class suburban kids, the student body is likely to have had comparable life experiences growing up.</p>
<p>I don’t think you’ll find the service academies are all that even. Not nearly as many from Montana at the Naval academy as from Maryland and Florida. My brother’s high school (in Maryland) had a photo on its alum magazine that 12 boys were attending academies at that time, most at the Naval academy. Twelve from one high school with about 1000 boys? Maybe from 2 congressional districts? </p>
<p>I think many people go to school in their regions because they like living in those regions. Many don’t want to move to colder climates, don’t want to live away from the mountains or oceans. People from Colorado don’t consider what they do in Vermont to be skiing. Southern Californians like it there. Kids grow up attending USC games or seeing the merchandize in stores and they want to be part of it. It’s fun. They don’t even know where Colby is, and it doesn’t sound like fun to them. It is sort of like asking why more Americans don’t go to school in Canada or Germany. It just never occurred to them to do that.</p>
<p>My daughter did look at one school in New England, but in the end attends one in Florida, the state we were living in when she applied. Easier to get to, near the ocean, two people she knows attending. The guidance counselors were at least familiar with the application process and financial aid available in state.</p>
<p>My sister went to Middlebury from a large Wis high school many years ago. Two others in her class also went to OOS privates, MIT and Harvard. All three had college educated parents who knew how to make it happen. The GC never had people go to OOS colleges, and was of no help. Our high school didn’t even offer the SAT and they had to go to the next town (Wis schools didn’t require test scores and very few took the test). No encouragement to go anywhere other than a state university or maybe an instate private school like Lawrence or Ripon. </p>
<p>I’m surprised Carnegie Mellon tilts so strongly Northeast given that its location puts it about half an hour from a midwest state (Ohio) and a southeastern state (West Virginia).</p>
<p>There’s a trope that “all the midwestern LACs are made up of local farm people”? Really? The schools mentioned, Macalester, Grinnell, Carleton, Oberlin (and Kenyon) are very popular among my D’s friends here on the East coast. Heck, we even know kids at Beloit and Knox. My older D looked at Lawrence. I think the trend will continue for Midwest and Southern schools to become more national as (the many, many, many) kids on the East coast expand their geographic search to increase their admission chances.</p>
<p>“I think the trend will continue for Midwest and Southern schools to become more national as (the many, many, many) kids on the East coast expand their geographic search to increase their admission chances.”</p>
<p>Ah, but will the NE schools become more national? </p>
<p>Mathmom - I would have loved to do this analysis based on geographic density within x, y, z miles. But states / regions are all I have. Naturally some places will be more on the border of two regions – not much I can do about that! </p>
<p>“I think many people go to school in their regions because they like living in those regions. Many don’t want to move to colder climates, don’t want to live away from the mountains or oceans. People from Colorado don’t consider what they do in Vermont to be skiing. Southern Californians like it there. Kids grow up attending USC games or seeing the merchandize in stores and they want to be part of it. It’s fun. They don’t even know where Colby is, and it doesn’t sound like fun to them. It is sort of like asking why more Americans don’t go to school in Canada or Germany. It just never occurred to them to do that”</p>
<p>Right. So why are some on here convinced that the Ivy name has magic dust everywhere, when it clearly doesn’t? Is it that they are untraveled or that they naively project what impresses their region of the country to everybody? </p>
<p>No, because the price points are higher even with tuition discounting in the form of merit money. Perhaps if a student wanted to stay in the NE since hiring is predominantly regional at smaller universities and colleges it might make sense. But if you are talking about an equivalent education and the absence of legacy or some other compelling reason I can’t imagine the scenario. I would consider desire to experience a different part of the country a compelling reason along with a desire to stay in that region and work after graduation, but for most kids the finances aren’t going to work out.</p>
<p>I love CC. Pizzagirl, have you offered this to any of the “ranking” magazines or sites? I think this is really interesting and I haven’t see it anywhere, ever.</p>
<p>“Selective, private “national” schools are admitting large numbers of white and Asian kids whose tastes and outlook are fairly similar these days, almost regardless of their home states.” </p>
<p>Given that the Asian pop in the US is heavily concentrated in CA, this may explain a) what might otherwise be low western development in the NE schools and b) why being Asian may not be the disadvantage, it may be being from CA (if these schools are looking to up their game in the Midwest and/or Southeast). </p>
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<p>Funny, I never think of Ohio as the midwest, even though it is considered part of the region. Within the midwest, I think there are a lot of differences between upper midwest (MN, WI…IA shares a lot of the same attributes too) and everywhere else.</p>