<p>Okay, you've convinced me.</p>
<p>I didn't get a 32 on my ACT like I had hoped because I'm asian/white. I just thought you guys should know that it's a minorities fault. Because of my low score on the ACT, I'm going to start a petition to ban AA.</p>
<p>so j/k btw :p</p>
<p>Sadly, somewhere along the line, I'm sure it's happened. :P</p>
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<p>I think their points might be that, why should they only have to compete with those of their own race?</p>
<p>If there were:</p>
<p>Asian 1: scoring 98
Asian 2: scoring 100
Black 1: scoring 30
Black 2: scoring 85</p>
<p>Instead of Black 2 being admitted along with Asian 2,</p>
<p>Why not Asian 1 and Asian 2, and take out the race factor.</p>
<p>I think they are just saying that everybod should compete with everybody, not just themselves.</p>
<p>I don't know where I stand on this issue, but I don't think they are as idiotic as they seem.</p>
<p>I have yet to see a situation where a person with a score of 100 or 98 loses out to someone with a score of 30 or something that bad.</p>
<p>In most cases, it's a very small gap, if at all. And in most cases, the people who lost out just plain suck and want to blame their weaknesses on others.</p>
<p>Besides, if you were that great, you would've gotten the spot. That's why I get 90% of what I apply for. I just make sure I'm that great.</p>
<p>hahah thats all i can say...</p>
<p>believe it or not but race isn't the only thing involved in college admissions.....they also take in to account your household income, whether your parents and siblings went to college, whether you pulled part time jobs during highschool, ECs, how many sibs you have, etc......i hate it how people automatically assume that blacks and hispanics are somehow intellectually inferior to asians and whites...i'm asian...i got in to a top 25...this IS about fairness.....it's not like..."oh you're black...you'll get in over this kid right here cuz he's not dark enough".....get real....you young middle/upper class whinos are just sad, because you didn't get what you wanted for once in your damn life....think about it this way....how many generations of your family have gone to college? how was your educational atmosphere growing up? how do you think having university educated parents affects how you're growing up, what you're exposed to, your level of competence?...highschool isn't the only place you learn....if you're placed at a disadvantage because of the household you grew up in you shouldn't be compared to everyone that gets what they want most of the time.....after a while AA in college admissions will die down...give it time....the whole process of AA is to level the playing field....furthermore AA is not an arbitrary decision based on skin color.....colleges have employed an extremely large number of psychologists that study social class and minority status in order to make the admissions process as fair as possible...whether you believe it or not, growing up in the lower rungs of the societal ladder does have dramatic effects on your learning capabilities...the objective of AA is to educate enough lower class minorities so atleast the next generation doesn't have to go through the same hardships their parents and their parents' families had to go through, and eventually disband all this priority...</p>
<p>I think it's okay for people to disagree with AA, but you certainly can't blame your rejection on it. I have to run. TURKEY!</p>
<p>Actually it's the conservatives that say that *****<strong><em>. Liberals are thankful for what we have and don't steal from the poor. Blame liberalism? That was the least intelligent thing I've seen you write and you write a lot of stupid *</em></strong> (joke or no joke). I just hope you weren't serious with that comment. Conservatives are some of the most rotten spoiled ignorant people I know. They only care about the rich and have no experience in dealing with any life that isn't white and pampered.</p>
<p>And thank God for someone having the guts to say that. I hate the white kids that announce that they're against AA on the quad. If I wasn't on my way to chem lab, I'd tell them they know nothing and quit making decisions on something you know nothing about. Leave it up to the minorities to decide. In case Katrina and it's aftermath was any clue, racism still exists in the US. Blacks are not yet on equal ground with whites and it was our laws and our policies that we just took away without aid that kept them there and in poverty unable to escape. So you spoiled rich white kids shut up.</p>
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Yes, in some cases that is exactly what happens and yes you can blame AA. (In all fairness, you can sometimes also blame financial need, legacy, gender, athletics or any number of other non-academic measures.) Why else would AA exist? Why else would applicants have to be separated out by race and be judged by different criteria? For every person given a "leg up" there is a person they are standing on.</p>
<p>I agree that people shouldn't whine about missed opportunities due to their own shortcomings, but I think that both liberals and conservatives can agree that ability is not the whole story.</p>
<p>"but I think that both liberals and conservatives can agree that ability is not the whole story."</p>
<p>And has never been the whole story.</p>
<p>Illini JBE: I was refering to the way liberalism tends to seek to "blame someone else" mentality, rather than taking responsiblity for your own actions and trying to improve yourself rather than complain about not getting what you want. I wasn't talking about affirmative action or anything of that sort. I was just saying that if people put as much effort into complaining about stupid crap if they would bettering themselves, they would be much better off.</p>
<p>The Detroit Free Press (May 28, 2004) published a chart breaking down (by race) the number of students applying to the University of Michigan for the years 2003 and 2004. </p>
<p>Using data from 2004, 11,606 White students applied for admission. 1,391 Black students applied. 826 Hispanic and 140 Native American/Alaskans also applied Im excluding Asian-American/Asian students who are considered an over-represented minority group and typically not considered for Affirmative Action programs. Also excluded were Other/Unknown and International students </p>
<p>Students admitted: 7,599 White; 798 Black; 587 Hispanic and 94 Native American/Alaskans.
Students not admitted: 4,007 White; 593 Black; 239 Hispanic and 46 Native American/Alaskans.</p>
<p>Total minority students admitted: 1,479
Total minority students not admitted: 878</p>
<p>No figures for the percentage mix of in-state vs. out-of-state students. </p>
<p>For those students who believe that so-and-so took my spot (at the University of Michigans 2004 freshman class): You can certainly point to the qualifications of the 1,479 minority students admitted and argue that your grades and test scores were equal to or better than theirs and therefore you should have been admitted. However, the bigger questions are this: Why werent you part of the 7,599 admitted White student group? Werent those 7,599 White students also competing with those same minority students? Is it possible that a few of the 7,599 White students admitted may have grades and scores lower than your own? Maybe your beef should be directed at other White students?</p>
<p>There are many factors affecting admission. But, the competition certainly is fiercer among some groups than others. Why else would so many students post here to see if they can somehow gain an advantage by calling themselves a minority? Given the identical application stats, ECs, essays, etc, do you think you'd have a better chance being Asian or African American? White or Native American? How many minorities choose to not be identified as such, leaving the racial section on the application blank?</p>
<p>In 2004, only 2,333 applicants were part of the "Other/Unknown" group. I'm guessing that catagory is for bi or multi-racial applicants or those students who choose not to reveal their ethnicity. Of those in this catagory, 1,434 were admitted.</p>
<p>To put this into perspective, 21,261 total applications were submitted in 2004 or about 11% of those chose not to be identified.</p>
<p>Oh ok joev. I was tired. And just got finished arguing with a newly conservative friend of mine. It was not good.</p>
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newly conservative friend of mine
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Did he just come into some money and suddenly turn conservative? LOL</p>
<p>Agreed! Self improvement over complaining.</p>
<p>It is really tough to get over the 'Don't blame me' mentality (at least, it was for me) but it's certainly worth it in the end. Positive thinking leads to less unhappiness and greater productivity :)</p>
<p>you sound like my psych professor</p>