Caltech vs. Duke

<p>Even though I have already made my decision, I would like to know whether most of you would chose the same. So...
Where do you think it will be best for me to go, Caltech or Duke?
(I probably expect you to tell me the pros and cons of both)</p>

<p>A little useful info:
1. I am into sciences. Especially physics. Would love to do much research.
2. The FinAid offers of Caltech and Duke are very similar.
3. Besides studying, I would like to have fun with fellow undergrads, to go off-campus, to explore the region etc. That probably implies friendly and sociable students.
4. mmm... guess this is all now.</p>

<p>I don't know about Duke, but most weekends i go off-campus with my friends and explore the surrounding area. Old Pasadena, the Huntington Library and gardens, Arcadia, San Gabriel, etc.</p>

<p>Also, Chinatown and other parts of LA are accessible via the gold line...</p>

<p>I actually don't know that much about Duke...never really looked into it.</p>

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<li><p>We tend to know a little science. From time to time, one of the professors may dink around in the lab a bit. Maybe you'd can watch or something...seriously is this a concern for you at Caltech? Take a look at what the faculty are doing and see if it is generally is interesting to you. Most of them are happy to work with undergraduates (especially in physics where it's understood you should do research), and you have to love that 3-1 student to faculty ratio.</p></li>
<li><p>Caltech gives out Upper Class Merit Scholarships to something like 5-10 percent of upper-classmen. Last year they ranged from 3/4 tuition to full-tuition, room/board, fees. Of course you have no way of knowing if you'll be that successful here, but why not come and find out! I doubt Duke has similar opportunities.</p></li>
<li><p>More common on weekends than weekdays. There are plenty of people who love to go off-campus, and the houses'/hovses' social teams organize events as well. I really don't think it's an issue here. Besides L.A., really has many wonderful things if you're willing to spend a little time exploring. </p></li>
<li><p>Okay! I'll end by saying that although Caltech is by no means perfect, there's no other school I'd personally rather be at.</p></li>
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<p>Duke has a very good math department, but its other science departments are substantially weaker. Oh yeah, and their basketball team sucks.</p>

<p>MIT_Dreamer, what school did you pick?</p>

<p>nevermind, i saw the other post on the other thread</p>

<p>MIT_Dreamer, I am facing the exact same choice you are (also want to do physics, financial aid very similar) and I currently live in Durham five min walk away from Duke. Duke is a much much different school than Caltech and for physics, Caltech is where it's at. There's no comparison between the two departments.</p>

<p>Guys, thanks for the info.</p>

<p>So, Durran, what attracts you the most? What makes Duke interesting to you, besides its being close to your home?</p>

<p>Duke obviously... you get to be 5 min away from ME!!! granted, I'll only be here for another year, but even a year of getting to be 5 min away from ME(!!!) is well worth it.</p>

<p>I agree with Durran though. Duke is fabulous for its bio program though(I've worked in the labs first hand).</p>

<p>MIT_Dreamer, maybe I was a bit ambiguous in my post, I am going to Caltech, not Duke.</p>

<p>If you wanted to go into medicine, Duke would be a great school. But I think I only applied to Duke because of how close it is to home.</p>

<p>I'm debating on the same issue myself.</p>

<p>Caltech: Applied Physics
Duke: BME</p>

<p>I'm thinking of a career in engineering/medicine and then management later on. The thing with Duke is it's amazing BME program (although I got into JHU's BME which is better but at a bad location) but it's way down south, for me at least. Caltech is really good for any science and engineering and getting into grad school is easier coming out from there.</p>

<p>I've heard that it doesn't matter (much) what you study as an undergrad, so would Caltech be a better choice than Duke? Or the other way around?</p>

<p>Much appreciated.</p>

<p>I'm a sophomore applied physics major at Caltech if you have any specific questions. It's a very broad major centered around physics. If you know you want to do biomed. engineering, then all this physics might be a waste of time you could use to develop skills related to BME.</p>

<p>Hey omgninja, dunno if you got my private message...</p>

<p>Omgninja, how different is the applied physics major from the (theoretical) physics one? Is it similar to the major in engineering physics offered in other universities such as Cornell? Are there any nanofabrication/nanoengineering courses offered at the undergrad level in AP?</p>

<p>"Applied physics is a combination of physics and engineering. How much engineering is the major? What are the main things you're learning/going to learn in engineering? Are these very flexable?</p>

<p>Also, what's the work load like? I was thinking of getting at least a minor in BEM (the Business Economics and Management option), is that feasible with still some semblance of a social life? Or is the work load now tying you to your room/library/classes/meals more than say 14 of 17 hours of the waking day (suppose on average 7 hours of sleep?)."</p>

<p>The main things you'd learn in engineering depend on which courses you take; there are several "tracks", including optics/photonics, bioengineering, solid state electronics, fluid mechanics, plasma physics, and some that are more like materials science. </p>

<p>These "tracks" are year-long classes, and you only have to take one. I think I'm going to take the fluid mechanics one when I'm a senior. I might also take "states of matter" (APh 105, if you want to look it up in the catalog; it's one of the materials science ones.) </p>

<p>Note: From here on, your mileage may vary. Depending on how you schedule your classes together, which profs you have, how well prepared you are, etc., you may have an easier or harder time. </p>

<p>The work load is quite reasonable if you can stay organized and focused. I'm considering taking a double major in BEM (we don't have minors... I wish we did though), and I think I'll be able to graduate without taking more than 48 (5 classes and a PE, silkscreening, or something else fun) units at a time in future terms. The work load may vary from term to term. So far, I've only had one term that really limited my sleep. I think this happened because I took too many humanities/ss courses (an average of one per term is required to graduate, but I took two that term :P). </p>

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<p>The applied physics major is different from the physics major in the following ways:</p>

<p>Labs:
Physics has to take Ph 3 (freshman physics lab, basic mechanics and electromagnetism stuff), 6 (more advanced electromagnetism stuff) (or APh 24), and Ph 7 (play with radioactive things).
APh can take 3 of the following: APh 9 (a solid-state electronics lab, we made LEDs, capacitors, diodes, transistors, etc. on silicon chips using photolithography. Also an introduction to microfluidics), APh 24 (Optics lab), Ph 3, 6 and 7.
There's more flexibility in terms of what labs an APh major can take.<br>
Both majors require either a thesis or 2 terms of an advanced lab in the major. APh 77 has holography, fiber optics, X-ray diffraction, plasma, fluid turbulence, high-temperature superconductivity, and black-body radiation.
Ph 77 has NMR, laser-based atomic spectroscopy, gamma and x-ray spectroscopy, muon decay, superconductivity, positron annihilation, and others.</p>

<p>Required physics classes:
Physics: Ph 106 (Classical Mechanics and Electromagnetism), Ph 125 (Quantum Mechanics). Also requires 90 units (10 1-term classes) of advanced Physics, Astrophysics, APh, or select Applied and Computational Mathematics courses.<br>
Applied Physics: Ph 106 and either Ch, APh, or Ph 125 (Quantum mechanics, but the Chemistry and APh versions are specialized for those fields). In addition, Applied Physics majors must take one of the tracks I mentioned earlier in this post. </p>

<p>Note that Ph 106 and 125 are advanced courses; Ph 1 and Ph 2, core courses that everyone must take, cover these topics at a more basic level. </p>

<p>I feel that there is more flexibility in the applied physics major. Instead of being required to take a lot of physics courses, I am free to take classes in whatever departments I want, e.g. next year I plan on taking year-long courses in materials science and discrete mathematics as electives. </p>

<p>I took a look at the requirements for Cornell's engineering physics major, and they look pretty similar. </p>

<p>For nanofabrication, APh 9 (that solid-state electronics lab I mentioned earlier) has a lecture component where the professor likes to talk about nanofabrication techniques. However, I think a better way to learn it is through research with a professor. Axel Scherer, Jim Heath, Michael Roukes, and others have research groups involved in nanofabrication, and are willing to have undergrads work in their labs.<br>
There is also a class APh 109 (Introduction to the Micro/Nanofabrication Lab) which I'm taking right now. We do scanning electron microscopy, electron-beam lithography, microfluidics, atomic force microscopy, and some solid-state electronics fabrication. For most of these things, we use a clean room, which I think is really cool. I highly recommend the class for the lab experience. </p>

<p>Hope I answered your questions to your satisfaction: if anything needs clarification, speak up :)</p>

<p>Definitely Duke, you are a recruited BB player, no?</p>

<p>yeah, very much, I wasn't really sure what the major entailed
thanks</p>

<p>Thanks ninja, that was very helpful.</p>