Can I do anything about the countless number of kids who'll be lying on their apps??

Applying to College
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<p>I recently became Pres of my school's Key Club, and I'm having a bit of trouble. You see we have always kept a list of paid and involved members, but now that the class of 2008 is getting ready for senior year we seem to be having a problem with strangers lying on their apps. I know of about 20 kids who are planning on falsely claiming membership. This aggravates me to no end because it is truly unfair to those of us who worked our butts off to make sure we reached our 50+ hrs. a year goal. In addition, some of these kids are saying that they will be applying to the same schools as many of the officers (including myself), and apparently they are considering lying about being officers. Will this hurt myself or the other officers if those students say they actually hold our positions? Can't anything be done? Our advisor is talking to the school counselors because she is severely frustrated, but they are of absolutely no help (according to her).</p>

<p>Please respond, and thank you for reading my rant!</p>

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<p>why do you care if others lie or not?
I mean they can do whatever they want.
and as far as they saying that they are officers.
JUST LET IT happen.
in time, the colleges will wonder why there's two presidents at your school key club.
they'll call your school counselor to verify.
and she will say your name and those other officers.
so really in the end, you win.
and they'll get caught.
thats it.
so dont worry about it.
matter of fact, LIVE YOUR LIFE.
and dont care about others.
okay?</p>

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<p>I know, I know, I'm overreacting. It's just that all of the actual members spend so much time dedicating themselves to really great causes and then some random kids try to cheat the system (as wacky and cliche as that sounds). Oh well, I guess I'll just have to chill (which isn't exactly something I'm good at, but I'll try). ;)
Thanks</p>

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<p>You can, by sitting down to relax. No i am just joking , I find it unfair also, but what can we do? nothing.</p>

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<p>i know exactly how you feel.....i'm having similar concerns. i hate that kids will lie on their apps, it sucks that they could screw up someone else's chances, someone who deserves it more. i recommend sending a list of club members to the college counseling office of your school and ask them to watch out for people lying on their apps.</p>

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<p>For the relatively few colleges that factor ECs into admissions (the most highly competitive colleges in the country, places like HPYS), belonging to Key Club or even being a school officer in it won't boost your chances. For such colleges, even being a national officer in a club won't guarantee admission.</p>

<p>Consequently, I think you're wasting your time to worry about whether other students are lying on their apps about Key Club membership or offices.</p>

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<p>Nothing to do, just worry about your own application :).</p>

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<p>Yeah, the extracurricular activities that really matter are independently verifiable, because they are newsworthy.</p>

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In addition, some of these kids are saying that they will be applying to the same schools as many of the officers (including myself), and apparently they are considering lying about being officers.

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And this is a problem? It solves your problem! When 2 people apply and both claim to hold the same position, the college just might call to verify.</p>

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<p>Even with around 20 thousand applicants applying to the 2000 spaces available at the Ivys, the adcoms can still verify your transcript even after you've been admitted.
So really, there's not a lot of point in lying and if you were telling the truth, you would sleep well each night.</p>

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<p>Yeah I know about this one senior (he was my friend) that told me how he said that he had LD positions in all the clubs he was in on his app. He was only had an LD position in 1 (out of 5 clubs).</p>

<p>He got into Berkeley.</p>

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<p>Unfortunately, tons of kids will lie on their apps but generally it is nothing that truly sways their admission decision. </p>

<p>You should worry about kids who are athletes, legacy, money, ethnicity, and even those who have people ghost write essays for them.</p>

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You should worry about kids who are athletes, legacy, money, ethnicity, and even those who have people ghost write essays for them.

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<p>Don't worry about anything you cannot control. You do exactly what you need to do and you'll be just where you're supposed to be.</p>

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<p>You can tell anonymously on those 20+ kids that you know are going to make up stuff on their applications. Send a script to NBC and you can make a reality T.V. show on this.</p>

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<p>just lie yourself... Everybody lies on their application, why don't you?</p>

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<p>^^ I hope that's sarcasm...</p>

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^^ I hope that's sarcasm...

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well most people here don't care if others lie on their apps, looking at this thread... Lying on apps is more common than you think (since competition is so stiff for ivy league colleges)</p>

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<p>Yes, it happens, and you can't really do anything about it. I would try talking to them about it, but it's unlikely that being in Key Club without a leadership role will help them much. Colleges will on occasion call into the schools to verify these positions, and they really don't like liars.</p>

<p>People who gain an advantage unethically are unlikely to succeed when all methods of doing things unethically fail.</p>