<p>Okay so I'm currently a CCC student and I TAG'd to UCSB for Fall 2014, but my GPA is a 3.15 right now and I'm not 100% sure it will be a 3.2 to complete the TAG by the end of the semester for a Sociology major.</p>
<p>I am applying to UCSB, UCLA, UCSD, UCI and UCR, but I'm also applying to the best 5 CSU's.</p>
<p>My college no longer offers an AA in Sociology since the AA-Transfer came out. But I am getting an AA for Transfer in Sociology as well as an AA in general studies with Social Science Emphasis. Because I don't plan on transferring to a CSU and am solely using them for backups I am not taking a speech class, so that I can focus on all IGETC and pre-major requirements being fulfilled instead. That being said the AA-Transfer, once attained according to CA law Guarantees Admission to a California State University Campus along with many additional benefits. I know both my degrees are essentially meaningless to the UC's but Either way I'm getting them just for a sense of personal accomplishment and to be able to say I have college degrees.</p>
<p>My question is: What do you think my chances are with UCSB, UCSD etc...</p>
<p>And What will happen with my Guaranteed Admission since I'm not taking a speech class, because the law does require the CSU system to admit me to at least one campus if I have earned the AA-Transfer in Sociology?</p>
<p>You need to meet all requirements to receive an AA-T, which includes taking a speech class. If you don’t take the speech class, you haven’t met the requirements. It is possible you would be accepted to a CSU, but it won’t be as an AA-T transfer.</p>
<p>My CCC has agreed to grant me to Associate’s Degree for Transfer upon meeting the following conditions which apply to everyone and this has been confirmed through counselors and the Registrar: “Complete 60 semester or 90 quarter units that are eligible for transfer to the California State University, including both of the following:
(A) Certified Completion of the California State University General Education Breadth (CSU GE Breadth) pattern; OR the Intersegmental General Education Transfer Curriculum (IGETC) pattern.
(B) Completion of a minimum of 18 semester units in an AA-T major offered within the district.”</p>
<p>So I am doing IGETC and they say if it’s Certified and I get the 60 units, and 18 major specific units they will grant me the AA-T.</p>
<p>My question is once I get the AA-T, even without the speech class am I still guaranteed admission as an AA-T transfer as the law requires them to do?</p>
<p>Without the speech class, you only meet the requirements for the UC’s. If you wish to apply as an AA-T to the five CSU’s that you mentioned, you MUST take the speech class (IGETC Area 1C Oral Communication). It is required by the CSU’s.</p>
<p>I understand what both you guys are saying,</p>
<p>BUT</p>
<p>If, let’s just say if, hypothetically if I am able to get the AA-T without the speech class, once I have the AAT will the CSU system have to follow the law and guarantee me an admission?</p>
<p>The CC may refuse to certify full IGETC if a CSU is your transfer target and you are missing the Area 1C course. So you would not be able to get the AA-T degree in this case.</p>
<p>A CSU is not my transfer target it’s only my back up , we’re in the UC transfers forum.</p>
<p>So assuming my CCC does grant me the AAT, will the CSU system still be required to follow the law and guarantee my admission?? You kind skipped over the hypothetical part…</p>
<p>I would but I’m taking 6 classes in the Spring.</p>
<p>It’s not that it’s hard it’s that I have no time for it, and if one of the degrees I’m already getting guarantees me an admission to a CSU what’s the point in taking an extra class???</p>
<p>If you tell your CCC to certify IGETC with a CSU as your transfer target, it probably won’t certify full IGETC if you do not have the oral communication course. I.e. your hypothetical assumption is probably won’t be true.</p>
<p>Note that the IGETC certification pages of various CCCs indicate that they will only send IGETC certification to your transfer UC or CSU. That means that they can determine whether to require Area 1C oral communication (if you transfer to a CSU) or Area 6 foreign language (if you transfer to a UC) to get full IGETC certification.</p>
<p>I understand that they might only send the IGETC Cert. to certain schools based on my courses taken, but once the AA-t is written out and signed and given to me regardless of who my CCC sends the IGETC to if I have the AA-T I qualify for a guaranteed admission, am I wrong in my understanding of this?</p>
<p>You won’t be IGETC certified for CSUs without the speech class. The requirements you listed say you have to get igetc certified, and whatever else. Without the speech class you can’t be CSU IGETC certified. You’re trying to get around a very basic requirement.</p>
<p>The Registrar for my campus has stated to me that firstly since my campus no longer offers a plain Sociology AA they will grant me the AAT in Sociology IF I get the 60 units, 18 in major and get IGETC Certified preferably for the CSU’s but/or it can also be UC Certified which it will be because I am going to a UC they are granting me the AAT.</p>
<p>That being said HYPOTHETICALLY if this happens and I somehow magically get the AAT without the 1c Speech Requirement, once the degree is in my possession will I get my guaranteed admission, this hypothetical part continuously gets skipped over and posters keep going back to the requirements for the AAT to begin with, so spare me the time and just answer this hypothetically as if It somehow magically happened please and thanks!</p>