<p>i agree. i did not do so hot on the CFA and submitted a mediocre test so i could get my app in sooner. guess it paid off because i have an appointment now. mile helped a lot i think</p>
<p>bball-63
pullups-5
shuttle-9.1
situps-80
pushups-50
mile-6:12</p>
<p>I'm sorry if I can across as trying to make myself look better. All I was trying to say is since it was only a practice, there are areas to improve in. And Hornetguy is right, the CFA is only a small part of the overall acceptance. I'm sorry once again.</p>
<p>I am stoked about my scores:</p>
<p>14 Pull-Ups
87 ft. Basketball Throw
9.28 sec. Shuttle Run
75 Push-Ups
94 Sit-Ups
6:05 min. Mile Run</p>
<p>heavyhitter, are you 5'10" and 150lb? your cfa scoes are virtually identical to mine:
15pu's
85 ft throw
9.02 shuttle
75 push ups
89 sit ups
5:50 mile :D</p>
<p>You guys are stressing/emphasizing the CFA way way too much.</p>
<p>Raising you Math SAT score by 80-100 points - impressive, and may have a significant impact on your appointment prospects.</p>
<p>Raising your situps or pushups by 10, or lowering your mile run by :30 seconds - no big deal. It won't make up for a substandard PAR score.</p>
<p>**60% for you Academic Composite: SAT/ACT, class rank, and GPA.</p>
<p>20% for your Extracurricular Composite: Athletic and non athletic participation.</p>
<p>20% for your Admissions Panel Composite: ALO interview, your writing sample, and your CFA.**</p>
<p>Work harder on raising you SAT to over 700/700 if you want better admissions results, not your CFA.</p>
<p>:cool:</p>
<p>Wow AZ, scores are almost identical... but i'm 6'2 190 lbs</p>
<p>ya i just finished mine too! it was
B-Ball: 60
pullups: 10
shuttle: 9.2
sit-ups: 71
Pushups: 39
mile: 6:50</p>
<p>Pushups could have been better but the "cadence" stuff KILLS. oh well</p>
<p>Luigi is right...the CFA will not help you get in, it can keep you out though if the scores are too low if you are on the make or break line. </p>
<p>If you look out the scoring, even if they split the 20% evenly among the 3, the CFA would be worth only about 6-7% of your total score...Bomb the SAT or GPA and even being given the full points for the CFA would still make it hard to get in. Also if your ALO doesn't feel you are a strong candidate due to EC's or acad. your CFA will be a wash with their rec.</p>
<p>Spend more time on your whole file and less concern with the CFA. REMEMBER it is called the WCS...Whole being the key word</p>
<p>"Bomb the SAT or GPA and even being given the full points for the CFA would still make it hard to get in."</p>
<p>In my case, I "bombed" the SAT (< 1500), but I ended up getting a LOA before I even got a chance to retake the test because the rest of my credentials were substantial. A strong CFA score only made it easier. </p>
<p>Little things CAN make a difference.</p>
<p>First official post!</p>
<p>azn,</p>
<p>when you say <1500, do you mean CR+math or overall?</p>
<p>It was my overall score. I think I overthought every single problem. See what I mean?</p>
<p>Every ALO I've talked to said the CFA is looked at pass/fail rather than stratified. Even if you maxed it out, I highly doubt that part of your package was what offset your horrendous SAT. I suspect your extracurricular activities, leadership, etc. is what really did it.</p>
<p>Hornet is right, as I said before it might help you get over the line if you have great scores, but it doesn't mean it will get you an appt. Plus a horrible SAT could have been offset with an amazing GPA that has the hardest courses a student could take. I am curious if your total is under 1500, did you only tank the writing, b/c the AFA flat out says a MA score under 500 is typically deemed non-comp. Finally, not to be the downer, but I would hit the books. I am sure Hornet, redhead and Petko can all tell you Math and Science isan integral part of academics. If you are weak in this area the AFA might be a tough road to hoe. Realize that any college, but esp. the AFA in your freshman yr is like going 0-100 in 2 secs., this is why so many kids fail or get put on probation after their 1st semester. You might think you have a hard course load now, but come Aug it will seem like basketweaving 101. Good luck, and thanks for wanting to serve</p>
<p>BTW when DS applied the regional stated to him the reason they pay attention to the CFA is because of the Alt., they expect for many cadets to see their CFA drop, and if you are just barely passing than it might mean you will fail it as soon as you get there.</p>
<p>aznarkarus - you are not telling folks the whole story. According to your other posts you got a 31 on the Math ACT which is very good. Your English ACT of 25 is understandable as your native language is Russian.
Get the picture?
It was not your CFA score that got you an LOA.</p>
<p>If he got a 31 on the Math ACT, that replaced the Math section of the SAT and they wouldn't even consider the SAT score then (for Math). Does help to have the full story. </p>
<p>I'll echo Bullet/Pima. Keep your academics strong and stay in the difficult courses till the end. Otherwise, USAFA will be quite a shock. I've seen valedictorians go on Academic probation and get kicked out. Be prepared!</p>
<p>JAM I thought there had to be more to the story. For all of you candidates, realize that they take the best of the two ACT/SAT. a 31 is very high in MA...if I recall it is about 700. If you take just those two scores your SAT equivalent would be closer to 1900. You were not in jeopardy of being non-qual. I know that JAM and I might be viewed as slamming on you....we are not. We are trying to make sure that every candidate gets the WHOLE pic. saying you bombed the SAT, didn't have an effect on your score b/c they probably took the ACT scores. Lesson for everyone take both tests some kids do better. Add into the factor that you have English as a second language I bet the board overlooked the Verbals. Also I am originally from the east coast, CT, NJ, NY, MD, VA have very competitive public schools that are typically ranked yr after yr in the top 100 schools in the US, whereas MT, WY, ID don't. (Nobody shoot me...I am not inferring they are better, but we all know that part of the process is submitted by the gc stating how many of the kids go to ivies, and 4 yrs)</p>
<p>Everyone needs to remember that it is the WCS and the CFA is a small part. It also will not matter on I-DAY what you scored and the CFA won't help you stay off of academic probation.</p>
<p>Kick the CFA out of the ballpark by doing your best, but more importantly remember that you need to have no holes in your resume. If you think you do than fill them. The board will revisit your packet everytime you submit new info, i.e. make Eagle contact them, become President of SADD or Boosters contact them, win an award let them know. The fat lady will not sing until Mar. Keep in mind as you see the list grow, don't worry, the AFA cannot give an appt out until everybody from that source has their packet in. I.E. you have yours in in Nov., but somebody from your source didn't complete it until Feb. 15th, you will have to wait. The AFA is informed about which candidate got what noms, and it then becomes a puzzle that they need to complete to get the candidates in. Just because somebody from your state got in, it doesn't mean you are out</p>
<p>Again listen to Hornet, and the others that are there...I remember last year about this time (actually in a few weeks) cadets talking about how many people they knew that werehaving their butt handed to them in certain classes. I understand the allure of an Academy experience, but I think too many peoply are wrapped up in that instead of the reality of what life will be like academically. All of the SA's are on par with Ivies, that being said any and every candidate needs to understand that the CFA will not keep you there.</p>
<p>LUIGI look what you did</p>
<p>sorry for the confusion, I did retake SAT/ACT/CFA, but a LOA was issued to me prior to that. I just wrote my initial scores to show that a very bad SAT score will not completely ruin an application. </p>
<p>to tell the full story, I am a captain of tennis and swimming teams, am the president of the National Honor Society and the vice-president of the student government, have a 3.94 GPA in the IB Program (will graduate with a full diploma, which will hopefully be validated at the SA), placed 1st in the 2008 PA State Chess Championship, published a collection of poetry in "Forever Spoken", placed 2nd in the National Russian Essay contest, selected as one of the astronauts for a virtual flight simulation at the Space Research Center, am a non-designated minority (Korean; guess that counts), and hold a world record for spinning a 700-page World Literature book on an index finger. :D </p>
<p>bottom line is that I'll be getting offers of appointments from USNA and USMA really soon, and if no medical problems arise, I'll finally be a plebe at USNA, class of 2013! (ha-ha, my gut tells me I'll regret saying this one day. oh well, I'm ready.)</p>
<p>Sincerely,
Arkadiy</p>
<p>PS: I was a lousy student before I found out about the SA's. ;)</p>
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<p>But conversely, neither will a poor CFA ruin it with stats like yours.</p>
<p>IMHO you would have received a LOA even if you failed the CFA. ;)</p>
<p> [quote=bulletandpima] LUIGI look what you did
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<p>Moi? :D</p>
<p>All I wanted to do was to make clear that the CFA, compared to your SAT/class rank/ECs/DODMERB/ALO Interview, is small part of your application. </p>
<p>A perfect maxed out CFA will not get you an appointment if your SAT's are 400/400 and you are ranked in the bottom 10% of your class.</p>
<p>But a 780/740 Football team Captain, ranked #2 of 300 who does 2 pull-ups will get one.</p>
<p>Yep...
However, getting here without being very fit is a BAD idea...ask me how I know...</p>
<p>I'll bite. How would you know? ;)</p>
<p>Say I wanted to submit a cfa with a very low pushup score, and decent to good scores on everything else. Would I be able to get away with it? I just got my nomination and would love to complete my file by sending in the cfa.</p>