What Ivy do you think is easier to get into than Brown?
And you know that because…?
My daughter didn’t have to “convince” me. The moment she was as born, I took it as one of my parental responsibilities to set aside sufficient funds, and invest it aggressively in the first 10-12 years, so that she could decide on whatever schools seemed the best match.
People’s attitudes, abilities and circumstances vary - so I wouldn’t think one can safely make such a broad generalization based on very limited information?
Because the OP has said so.
Depends - but Cornell has several programs, such as Hotel and ILR, that are “easier” than Brown. Even Arts & Science is 8%. Dartmouth can be easier too.
But as someone else said, you could get in Harvard and turned down at Dartmouth, etc. There’s no telling. It’s certainly not an all or none game.
What Ivy do you think is easier to get into than Brown?
No Ivy are “easy” to get into it. But (as many/most) high-achieving find out, there also is no “guaranteed” GPA/ACT/SAT that will get you in. If it was, one wouldn’t need admissions staff; school computers could just sort the applications in descending order until the class size was reached.
In fact, every year there will be students that get into Ivy’s with “stats” that are clearly less than other students who had not been accepted. So clearly, many factors play into an admissions decision, and they are not the same from year to year and school to school.
One can be accepted into Princeton, but having not been accepted by Columbia - that doesn’t make Princeton “easier”, but it just means that this particular school saw potential in that particular candidate, or trying to fill a particular “slot”, that another school did not.
Otherwise, all the top students would come back with 8 acceptances and we know that not to be the case.
What Ivy do you think is easier to get into than Brown?
Statistically (Cornell, Dartmouth and Penn) but each school is unique as is each student. Can’t generalize.
Because the OP has said so.
Then I missed it repeatedly - I didn’t see her stating that her about her parents.
I believe it was post #16
hi! thanks for your honesty! yeah my asian parents definently wouldn’t want me going to an liberal arts school in the middle of nowhere, especially far away from home.
its a women’s college, so i’m not sure how id feel about it
It’s about as far from what one might expect from a women’s college as one might think - as I’ve learned myself. My daughter was never sheltered, was always an independent thinker, never embraced a “clique” culture, and I would have never remotely figured she’d even consider a women’s college.
One fairly realistic way to think of Barnard is a “co-ed” college with all-female dorms - and without majority male leadership and faculty.
Barnard College is academically and operationally fully integrated with Columbia University. Male and female students from all C. University colleges attend classes on either side of Broadway, course catalogues list all University courses no matter where they happen to be taught that semester. Libraries, dining halls,… all are open (and used!) by all genders of all colleges.
You’re just as likely finding male students from CC enjoying whatever aspect of the facilities at Barnard, or the late-night menu choices, as you will find Barnard women enjoying the Gym at Columbia.
The nice thing - if at any time “co-ed” drama is getting on your nerves you’ll have a place to “retreat” to.
wouldn’t want me going to an liberal arts school in the middle of nowhere
Yes, I saw that - it says nothing about cost!?
Instead it talks about disfavoring “middle of nowhere” location. I read it to mean that people are looking for relatively easy access to long-distance travel to give the student or parent the option to visit.
Note that the OP stated an intention to apply to only four Ivies: Brown, Columbia, Penn and Harvard.
i think that when you i to compare myself to others (online and in your school) who run clubs and organizations, do research, and play sports, i start to feel pretty average and inadequate
You are certainly not “average”, but well above that. Otherwise you wouldn’t be in the 9th decile of your school. And an “all-A” transcript objectively is also well above average, so are consistent AP 5 scores.
On the other hand, you are correct to realize that no numeric results ever guarantees admission anywhere - for some schools it may be “too high”, as they assume you’ll be accepted elsewhere anyway, and for the highly-selective school you’ll be among peers of equally good results where every 10th applicant ends up being picked – sometimes seemingly arbitrarily.
PS: Your school’s weighting appears fairly aggressive, if they calculate a 4.6 over four years, given that there is a limited range of AP classes that could push up weighting that far. But that won’t be a problem, colleges will likely use your transcript and apply their own “normalized” weighting to be able to compare candidates from different high schools.
At my daughter’s high school, none of the top students ever had anything less than an “A-” in four years, took every available “honors”-level course or AP-level course, finished their APs with 5s, yet there was no mathematical way to get beyond 4.2.
however, i don’t want to put “undecided” because i’m not sure if it’ll make me look like a weaker applicant
Not at all! In fact the most common major is “undecided”. And of those who THINK they know their major out of high-school a very substantial percentage will end up switching majors anyway.
So, “No”, being “undecided” is not the sign of a “weak” applicant. It simply means that you are a realistic high school junior, who recognizes their own lack of knowledge of “what’s out there”, is mature and confident enough to admit that, and doesn’t have parents projecting their own goals on their kid.
Sure, some students absolutely know that “Engineering” or “Computer Science”, “Law” or “Medicine” is “their thing” - and actually will stick to it for 4 years - and that’s good for them.
And don’t forget to look at Barnard. As well as being an excellent school, you can cross register with Columbia, and though it is technically a women’s college, classes and housing are mixed with Columbia students , so it doesn’t feel single sex unless you make specific choices to push the experience in that direction.
housing are mixed
That’s a bit misleading- unless things have changed about 30-40 students (total) can swap to the other school, and there are specific forms it applies to. Barnard students are well mixed with Columbia students in many aspects of collegiate life, but reslife is not one of them.
When I was at Barnard about half their dorms were co-ed, so thanks for providing the update!
I’m definitely not an expert- just have anecdotal examples, so I am entirely prepared to be corrected
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Looks like Columbia males can live in Barnard dorms, although this page doesn’t say how many choose to do so: Columbia Students Living at Barnard | Barnard College
Good point! Indeed, outside the Quad, Barnard owns Appartement buildings, or rents apartments in a few buildings. Several Barnard students can apply for a full suite, in which case male Columbia students can be part of that friend group.
But male students cannot take “open” spots in partially filled apartments.
Not quite what some might think of as co-ed housing, rather offering some flexibility for upperclasswomen.