chance me for the air force academy, ucla,ucb,lmu

<p>hi guys im a 17 year old male and am going to be a senior this august. id say im an above average student and am looking to apply to a number of schools and if it matters im mexican. please let me know what you think my chances are and thanks in advance</p>

<p>right now my top is the air force academy because i want to be a pilot. previously i wanted to go to a uc school or somewhere in california to pursue a career as a PA plus i also live in southern california. </p>

<p>these are the schools that i want to go to in order of my top picks. i mostly want to see what my chances are for air force academy but what about the rest of the schools i listed if i choose to pursue a career as a PA</p>

<p>air force academy Colorado springs
UC Berkeley
UCLA
USC
LMU
UCSB</p>

<p>my stats:</p>

<p>ran jv cross country and track starting my sophomore year (no sports freshman year) and ran varsity cross country and track last season as a junior and am going to be doing varsity cross country and track this year as a senior. also had a job working at a theme park at the end of junior year till now.</p>

<p>im hoping when i take the SAT again this fall i will score at least a 1700 but im really shooting for 1800 and if i got a 2000 i think id be set. how many times should i take it 2 or 3 times? </p>

<p>SAT 1640 first time didnt study :/</p>

<p>cum. weighted gpa 4.08
cum. unweighted 3.86
10-12 weighted 4.16
10-12 unweighted 3.92</p>

<p>classes taken</p>

<p>9th grade
ap biology
geometry
regular classes besides those two</p>

<p>10th grade
normal classes except honors algebra2/trig
spanish 2</p>

<p>11th
honors precalc/ calc a
ap us history (got a 4 on ap test)
human anatomy/physiology
spanish 3
regular english</p>

<p>what im taking as a senior in 12th grade
ap calc b/c
ap physics b
ap lit
ap econ/gov</p>

<p>thanks</p>

<p>Does anybody have any idea on what my chances are?</p>

<p>cmon guys any ideas. im really anxious to hear what people have to say</p>

<p>bump. opinions welcome</p>

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<p>These are two years old</p>

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<p>ok but what do you think about my chances for the airforce academy. thats what im really focused on right now</p>

<p>Sorry, I don’t know anything about that, but there may be a forum for that.</p>

<p>Yep!</p>

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<p>Your chances for the other three look alright. Your schedule doesn’t seem to have a lot of rigor, at least until senior year (however, taking AP Bio as a freshman is a huge exception), and your test scores aren’t that good (obviously, retake those) but your GPA and rank, obviously, can’t get any better. I wish I had a 4.0 and was number 1, but it’s too late for that. Anyway, your ECs are good with depth but could be more varied (most applicants have the opposite problem: being in many clubs and not investing much time in any of them).</p>

<p>getintoafa, I just flew back from Denver last week with an AFA grad, he played starting left tackle for the Falcons. Because my younger boy has expressed some interest, I inquired with the burly chap who wore a dark blue cap with AF in white about getting into the academy.
First, according to what he told me, based upon your academic credentials, your EC’s and athletics, you’re definitely in the game in those areas, except in terms of the SAT. I strongly recommend you take the best prep class you can get - some of them through some schools offer reduced cost or waivers if that is an issue because they are expensive. But you need to hit that 2000 to be solid in that regard, and of course having the math component lead the way wouldn’t hurt.
The two keys, again from what this recent grad said, are distinctiveness and the commission. The commission is that which you need to obtain from your Congressman or US Senator, i.e. their recommendation of you. Obviously, lots of people ask this of pretty much every Member, so the key will be the other part, distinctiveness.
The AFA alum said that you need to develop your story - what others in the CC world would call your hook. You need it to get your Congressman’s attention and you also need it for the admissions officers. In our case, I’m very, very involved in local politics; I told my son that if he really wants to go, and makes the grades, Dad will take care of getting the appointment. For most people though, it’s a pretty serious hurdle all by itself. But hey - maybe your Congressman or Senator is an alum of one of the service academies. If so - or if another Member in your area is - you might start by requesting an appointment to speak with them about it, pick their brains. It will yield good info and of course will also put you on their radar screen. You have a year, basically, to take care of this part of it.
From what I can tell, the best approach to developing your hook, your distinctiveness, is to have a focused reason, specifically why going to the AFA is something that is not only logical, given your record and achievements, but central to what you want to do with your life.
Nearly all AFA cadets went there at least in part because they wanted to fly. What this guy said was that there is a quantity of “new pilot slots” authorized each year by the DoD. I believe the number he said was 1200. Of that, half - 600 - are allocated to the Academy, and the other 600 are spread amongst all of the AFROTC programs at universities across the US. So basically, if you want to fly, you have to get into the Academy. Interestingly, though, he did say that you can become an Air Force officer - complete with your slot - by attending ANY of the service academies. He said he had a friend, a guy he’d served with, who’d gone to West Point but was pre-designated as Air Force for when he graduated. Unlikely and circuitous but maybe something else to think about.
But what is it about your explorations, your studies, your outside activities, that points you inexorably toward the Academy? One place to start might be to take a careful look at which academic majors they offer at the AFA. Is it engineering for you? Physics maybe, or materials science? Aeronautical? I don’t see anything in what you’ve listed that suggests one area or another. Now Mr. Left Tackle (a really personable young man by the way, not a big clumsy ox) did say that being well-rounded is part of the story you need to have, and your range of coursework supports that, but where is the direction that says, “I need to get to the Academy to do what I’ve demonstrated I want to do?” Do you want to be a flight surgeon, go from the AFA to med school? Great, but likely that wouldn’t put you first in line for a pilot slot.
My suggestion - ask. Find as many AFA alums as you can (including, as I said above, your elected officials), even online folks, and ask them their stories, their pitch, their hook. Oh, speaking of that - look into the biographies of ALL of the elected officials who represent you and your family. If your mayor, for example, is an Annapolis grad, ask him. If your state representative was in the Marines, ask her. Do the homework. Most electeds know most of their peers; if you don’t have an “in” with your Congressman, but his buddy, your town Councilman, wears a service academy ring, having their recommendation might make the difference.
There is a ton of info out there, by the way, about getting into the AFA, including books and courses. From what I’ve seen though, if you’re enough of a self-starter to qualify for the Air Force Academy, you have what you need to find out what you need to know.
Good luck - make us proud!</p>

<p>@ericd1112 thank you for the useful info. i really want to go to the afa because previously i wanted to be a PA so i can help people and make decent money. but now i realized it wouldnt be something id be truly happy doing. i have always loved the military and as a younger kid i told my dad, a sheriff, i wanted to be in it. i also want to get a good education and better yet i want to go to the academy to and after to flight school. i feel like the af is the top branch of the military im my eyes. i never did rotc or anything like that but mostly because i wasnt sure what i wanted to do. but now ive decided i want to make a career out of this and go to a good school that i think is very prestigious. i feel that id be much happier as a pilot and ill be serving my country at the same time. i would also like for my parents to be able to say their son graduated from the afa and serves as a pilot in the af.</p>

<p>now i was reading about how to preapply for the academy online but when i submit it will it be with my current SAT score and gpa? i didnt really start thinking about college until last year my junior year where i went from just 4.0 to 4.3. this year im going to get a 4.8 hopefully. but i am also going to be studying for my SAT on my own as my parents dont really have the money to just dish out a couple grand on me just for SAT prep. im sure they would if i really asked them but i dont want them to have to do that. </p>

<p>now you said i have about a year. i was reading that i have to get a recommendation before the end of the year. well im going to read up on everything again and possibly see if i apply online tomorrow for the pre screening. thanks again. im definitely going to continue to look into talking to whoever i can.</p>

<p>as a matter of fact my dads friend, a sheriff and airforce reserve i think said he will try to take me on base some time. maybe when i go i will ask as many people as i can about the academy if they went and how to go about trying to get a recommendation.</p>

<p>i just hope its not too late to show that i really want to go to the afa and become a pilot. i guess i was just a little indecisive until now</p>

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<p>I’m a liaison officer for West Point and have a son at the Air Force Academy (and a younger son who was accepted there but declined it to attend somewhere else), so have gone through this process many times in the past couple years with my own kids and other candidates.</p>

<p>First off, the academies as a whole have gotten incredibly more competitive over the last couple years. The info ericd gave you may have been correct for a current grad, and even to an extent to my son’s class (current juniors), but no longer. West Point was admitting over 1400 students a couple years ago - this year AF only admitted 1050! That’s nearly a third cut due to congress and budget and cutbacks with the war ending. At WP for the class of 2012 (just graduated from WP), they had 9000 applications. For the class of 2016 (just entered) they had nearly 18000. WAY more applicants for fewer slots. While a 2000 SAT would have been very competitve a few years ago, it simply isn’t any more. Some people will get in with that, but many will have some other draw (minorities, recruited athletes).</p>

<p>Also keep in mind that your location is KEY in getting into the academy. Over half the class is filled by appointments as a result of nominations from senators/congressmen. If you live in Texas or Colorado or California, you need to be an exceptionally competitive candidate to even have a chance. If you live in North Dakota or Montana, not so much. While there are some “at large” slots, by far your best chance of admission is having the best file from your congressional district.</p>

<p>Finally, I’m not seeing anything about leadership in your file, which is one of the top things the academies are looking for - team captain, Boys State, Eagle Scout, Class President - these things are critical to getting in. To answer your question about grades though - at this point the academy really doesn’t make decisions until around March so they will see your first semester grades. However, when you apply for a nomination, most congressmen/senators require the packets to be submitted by Oct/Nov at the latest and will conduct interviews around Nov/Dec. So they wouldn’t have them. </p>

<p>Also, I’d strongly recommend you apply (immediately) for an AFROTC scholarship. Not only does this give you another chance to enter the AF and fly, but it also looks to all the interviewers and boards you’ll be dealing with that you’re serious about the military. In any case, you should be starting on all these things now. Applications for both USAFA and ROTC are already open and boards will start meeting next month. There’s a LOT more to say but more than I can type here so definitely check out Service Academy Forums and you’ll find everything you need there!</p>

<p>Just one more thing - you mentioned that you’re Mexican. If you mean that as your race, then it may help you in admissions. If it’s your nationality/citizenship, I just wanted to make sure you realize that you must be a US Citizen to attend any of the Service Academies.</p>

<p>marciemi,
Thanks for the updated info! Yes, my information was from an AFA grad from a few years ago - you’re an incredibly ideal person to help getintoafa. Wow.</p>

<p>getintoafa,
I would also second the sentiment that geography matters in terms of getting the Congressional appointment, and about leadership. The service academies are, after all, about developing the leadership of our armed forces. There is such a thing as being just way too cocky and overconfident, thinking you should lead because you’re a naturally forward personality, but on the other hand, shrinking violets need not apply. Show them activities/experience which shows that you can lead.</p>

<p>Leadership involves the ability to actually lead, i.e. to enlist people to work together toward a common goal and get their buy-in to your direction, which involves things like trust, credibility and honor, not just the ability to boss people around. A leader without followers is just a guy taking a walk.</p>

<p>Also, you said, “i am also going to be studying for my SAT on my own as my parents dont really have the money to just dish out a couple grand on me just for SAT prep.”
Check with your school and with the company/companies that offer SAT prep at your school (or neighboring schools). Some have programs to allow kids whose folks truly can’t afford it to take their class at half/reduced rate or even without fee. It costs nothing to ask them and the prep is really, really helpful.</p>