<p>(Engineering)</p>
<p>Stats:</p>
<ul>
<li>SAT Verbal: 650</li>
<li>SAT Math: 750</li>
<li>SAT Writing: 680</li>
<li>SAT Total: 2080</li>
<li>SAT II: 770 Chem 760 Math 680 Physics</li>
<li>ACT:</li>
<li>AP/IB taken/scores: 4:Chem and Physics B</li>
<li>GPA weighted:4.46</li>
<li>GPA unweighted:</li>
<li>Rank or % estimate: <10%</li>
</ul>
<p>Subjective:</p>
<ul>
<li>Essays: Great</li>
<li>Teacher Recs: Great</li>
<li>Counselor Rec: Great</li>
<li>Hook (if any): 1st generation?</li>
</ul>
<p>Location/Person:</p>
<ul>
<li>State or Country: NY</li>
<li>School Type: Private</li>
<li>Ethnicity: Asian</li>
<li>Gender: M</li>
<li>Legacy Yes/No: N</li>
<li>Recruited Yes/No: N</li>
<li>Important ECs:
Math Team 3 years-varsity- 1st in the county
Science NHS 2 years- science team participant; tutor
Spanish NHS 2 years- tutor; volunteer
Flag Football 3 years
Asian Cultural Club 3 years
Volunteering 4 years- veterans home, retirement home, YMCA
Tutoring 4 years for math, science, history, english, spanish (through Guidance)
Medicine club 2 years</li>
</ul>
<p>Also applying to:</p>
<p>Northwestern, JHU, Penn, Duke, Cornell, Rice, UMich, Georgetown, Washington University at St. Louis, University of Chicago, Emory, UC LA, UC Berkeley, Columbia, Cooper Union</p>
<p>I did not realize that Emory, Georgetown and the University of Chicago had Engineering programs.</p>
<p>I also do not see any safeties on your list. In fact, most of the schools on your list are reaches. I assume you applied to at least one or two safeties. </p>
<p>At any rate, Michigan is a match. Your GPA has to be recalculated to fit Michigan (unweighed on a 4.0 scale, not including Freshman year or electives such as PE, Home Economics etc...).</p>
<p>Haha they don't. I didnt need to specify for U chicago and georgetown i did chem</p>
<p>giants, pehaps you should tell that to the students I know who were admitted into Columbia, Cornell, Dartmouth, Northwestern, Penn and Stanford and were flat out rejected by Michigan last year alone. Nobody is guaranteed Michigan.</p>
<p>Alexandre, I think everyone knows you are a Michigan alum and biased, but I am not sure how even your bias can convince you that it is as hard or harder to get into Michigan than the Ivies, Stanford, or Northwestern. It's just not. Stanford is #4 in the country and most of rest are top 10 as well, while Michigan is at 26. You're in at Michigan.</p>
<p>Try for safeties..Clemson or Virginia Tech (Excellent Engineering obviously)
Also, added bonus - scholarship money$$$$</p>
<p>JEC, your logic fails you. I never said Michigan is more selective. I said there are many cases where students who are admitted into Ivy League institutions get rejected by Michigan. And an applicant with a 1400 on the SAT is not guaranteed admission into Michigan.</p>
<p>"And an applicant with a 1400 on the SAT is not guaranteed admission into Michigan."</p>
<p>No stats ever guarantee admission anywhere, but his stats make it much more likely, based on average numbers of those admitted to each school, that he will get into Michigan than any of the other schools that he listed. </p>
<p>"I said there are many cases where students who are admitted into Ivy League institutions get rejected by Michigan."</p>
<p>Maybe, but other than word of mouth, but I am not sure how you could compose a sizable amount of information that could confirm that this happens that often. I doubt there is accumulated data on that. Anyway, I am sure there are exceptions of where people get into Ivies and not Michigan (people with connections, legacy, etc..),as there always are, but overall the Michigan admission is not as difficult as any of the other schools he listed.</p>
<p>alex, are you then referring to arbitrariness of U Mich admission process. that does not bode well for Michigan. any explanation why those elite school admits were denied? it is worrisome - is Michigan suffering from Tuft's syndrome?</p>
<p>College admissions has become arbitrary, and not just at Michigan. There are just too many talented applicants applying to top universities. Applicants generally underestimate Michigan's admissions standards. Last year, 25% of admitted students had perfect 4.0 GPAs, where ranked in the top 1% of their class and scored over a 2200 on the SAT. Out of state students face particularly stiff odds. </p>
<p>The students I am referring to were not legacy and certainly had Michigan high on their list. They were solid A students with good ECs and strong standardized scores (over 700 on every section of the SAT). At that level, itis impossible to determine what will get a student and acceptance. Obviously, chances of admission for such students are better at Michigan than at Stanford, but it is not automatically the case. There are times when an applicant will impress one committee member and not another. Admissions is not an exact science.</p>
<p>College admissions has become arbitrary, and not just at Michigan. There are just too many talented applicants applying to top universities. Applicants generally underestimate Michigan's admissions standards. Last year, 25% of admitted students had perfect 4.0 GPAs, where ranked in the top 1% of their class and scored over a 2200 on the SAT. Out of state students face particularly stiff odds. </p>
<p>The students I am referring to were not legacy of any US university (thyey weremostly Middle Eastern, Indian or European) and certainly had Michigan high on their list. They were solid A students with good ECs and strong standardized scores (over 700 on every section of the SAT). At that level, itis impossible to determine what will get a student and acceptance. Obviously, chances of admission for such students are better at Michigan than at Stanford, but it is not automatically the case. There are times when an applicant will impress one committee member and not another. Admissions is not an exact science.</p>
<p>I'm laughing reading how a PSU student/grad knows more about admissions at Michigan then someone who is a spokesman for the school. Michigan is almost never a safety for the vast majority of students. Match yes, safety rarely. It has been proven time and time again in these threads. Some people like to come to this forum and assume that because their school takes just about anybody who's well qualified, then all schools outside the top ten do it as well. Michigan might be ranked 26th by USNWR, but that doesn't mean it's not a top school and that doesn't mean it's not very difficult to get into especially if you are an OOS applicant.</p>
<p>rjkofnovi,</p>
<p>I do not pretend to know more about Michigan than Alexandre, as I have never said any such thing. I assume the rankings do, though. They seem to put Michigan right where they belong, at 26. Anyway, I hope you can deal with the fact that, besides under unique circumstances, your school is the safety for many of the schools we are discussing. Michigan is a top public school, but the resources and admission standards of the top privates often heavily trump those of publics. That shouldn't take away anything in your mind of the education you received or from your self worth, but it is what it is. Michigan is no Stanford or Penn when it comes to admissions, it's that simple. </p>
<p>"Some people like to come to this forum and assume that because their school takes just about anybody who's well qualified, then all schools outside the top ten do it as well."</p>
<p>I assume that was a slight directed towards Penn State University Park. I am not going to get into mud throwing, but Penn State University Park has a lower acceptance rate than Michigan. I have always said you can't base the level academics simply on admission standards, but you seemed to imply that we "take just about anybody." That's not the case, and is far from the truth.</p>
<p>I said PsU takes most applicants who are well qualified. If Michigan does it, so does PsU. PsU is no Michigan. Nuff said. You can take this discussion to the PsU board on CC top universities threads. Let me know when you find it.</p>
<p>I am apply to Penn as in University of Pennsylvania you know the officially recognized shortened name.</p>
<p>I know. We are discussing Michigan. Enjoy Philly.</p>
<p>Oh, and when did being in the "CC top universities discussion" area mean anything? You really are really stretching for things to be proud of. Thank god Penn State UP is no Michigan, as it seems to be a place with such insecurity as to set personal worth on areas of College Confidential. You may be able to convince Michigan State students that you are superior, but Penn State University Park students aren't drinking the Kool-Aid. The admissions of the Penn State and Michigan have a good amount of overlap, and I know plenty of students that passed on Michigan for Penn State UP. Obviously, there are no stats for this, but I will say it in the same way Alexandre said that there are plenty of people that get turned by Michigan that get into Ivy league schools. It happens a good amount. It really was not viewed as a surprise. Sorry to throw your world. We are in the 25-50 National University range, JUST LIKE YOU. You are top 5 for publics, we're top 15. I really think you should get over this superiority thing that you have going on, as you aren't even the best ranked school in the conference. Also, I think it's funny that you even act like you know anything about Penn State University Park admission. There are plenty of well qualified applicants that do not get admitted, so you should just stop your rant that's filled with nothing but factless nonsense.</p>
<p>Not directed at me right jec?</p>
<p>Nope, that wasn't. I think you have a great shot and the Stanford/Penn/Northwestern level of admission. Penn is a great place, along with a lot of the rest on your list. This is a discussion over Michigan admission, as I think you are definitely in there. I think you are also in at many/most of your other schools as well. Congrats.</p>