Chance me Please! (Ivies)

Affirmative action was employed in many schools in the later half of the last century to combat institutional racism, meaning admissions officers not accepting someone or discriminating by race (mostly toward ppl of african american heritage). According to wikipedia, affirmative action is “favoring members of a disadvantaged group.” It is one of the most controversial and debated topics in college admissions. Many argue that institutional racism doesn’t really exist anymore, and affirmative action should be banned. Some argue that affirmative action is still needed. One of the problems affirmative action creates is that applicants of certain groups of minorities (african americans, latinos, native americans, and pacific-islanders to be precise) get a HUGE boost in college admissions, while majority students (white applicants) or over-represented minorities (asian americans) are at a disadvantage, due to the insane competition. Gender also plays a role here. That’s why female applicants have higher chances of going into STEM fields, especially engineering or computer science. The standards are basically lowered or risen according to race/gender.

In a way, you are competing against your own racial and gender group. Many people argue that affirmative action is actually racist and sexist, since your race and gender are taken into account, not just your merits. It is ILLEGAL to have racial quotas, and all institutions deny that they have racial quotas (instead they call it “holistic-admissions”). However, there’s a lot of evidence that there are quotas in place.

The State of California made affirmative action illegal in public institutions (UC and CSU schools) years ago. Asian acceptance and attendance at UC Berkeley shot up, while the proportion of black freshmen fell by half. Meanwhile, the racial makeup of Harvard’s classes have been CONSTANT in the past several years, despite changing dynamics of applicants.

Personally I’m against affirmative action, as it negatively affects me (lol) and it creates an unhealthy mindset against minority students (you probably heard of the joke “he got in because he is _____ (insert skin color here)”).

All in all, what AA means for you is that it’s going to be harder for you to get admitted, as an asian male (indian americans included), especially into a STEM field. It’s certainly frustrating (for some lol), but there’s nothing you can do about it.

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Different colleges have different methods of reviewing apps. Most have 2 - 3 reviewers that read your app independently (they don’t know the other reviewers’ responses). They grade you based on a report sheet and a few criteria. At the end an admissions counselor (usually the one responsible for applicants applying from your region) presents all of the applicants he/she is responsible for. They mostly run down your application and go over the 2-3 reviewers’ ratings. Then they take a vote for accept, reject, or deferral/waitlist, often by a show of hands.

The process takes about 3-5 minutes per applicant in the final decision stage, and each reviewer spends about 5 minutes reading your application and maybe a few more writing comments. So, you’re right… about 15 minutes in total. I think “rolled dice on some admissions” is more of a figure of speech lol. Meaning even though they don’t really do that, a lot of admissions decisions are based on intuition, One extra or one less vote could be the difference between acceptance and deferral. Maybe that one admissions officer didn’t pay attention when voting on your app. He/she was thinking about lunch. Who knows. :stuck_out_tongue:

@IsoDidact I would feel so bad for that one applicant, because he would have everything to make it to that University, but not getting in would be sad.

Now that you tell me about Affirmative Action, I am also not liking it either. Coming from Asia as a male, I probably have the lowest chance of acceptance to the Ivy League. The question asking are you Latino or Hispanic comes up many times, so I wonder if that gives an advantage in the admissions? Though Indians are technically a ‘minority’, it would saying apples are vegetables.

Im curious to know what your race/sex is? Maybe we look eye to eye on this situation!

@TryYourBest1 Being Latino will most likely give you a boost in institutions that employ affirmative action (aka almost all universities and colleges). But a lot of forms ask that question specifically because it’s required of institutions that receive federal funding (it’s a rule created in effort to minimize workplace discrimination).

Being Asian only harms you in areas were Asians are overrepresented (STEM fields). Asians who want to major in areas like art, politics, or environmental studies get a boost since they are still minorities in those fields.

Being Indian is the same as being any other type of Asian. Unfortunately the biggest loser in affirmative action are the Asians going into STEM fields. They are harmed the most by it. There isn’t anything you can do about it and affirmative action isn’t going away anytime soon (there was a court case fairly recently that made it to the Supreme court of Texas – it challenged affirmative action in Texas public universities, but lost by one vote, if I recall correctly). Asians in the US aren’t particularly known for their political participation either, lol. The only thing you CAN do is polish your application and try to stand out from everybody else.

If you are a first gen college student you get a boost though (meaning your parents have never gone to college at all).

I’m an asian male as well. lol.

I think you should focus on math and try getting into USAMO. Also if you bring your gpa up etc. you have a good chance. Start practicing AIME level math now and you should have a shot for USAMO next year. Good luck!

@VenomBuds I took the AIME, and got a SHAMEFULLY bad score…thats like a HARD test. I was focusing more on the AMC 12, since it would be cool to have three perfect scores for three different grade levels!

USAMO is for god-gifted students, or ones who want to major in math…aka not me…
I like the tip though, I will definitely check it out.

You’re on the right track, and you definitely have a good chance at any Ivy or highly ranked non-ivy that you mentioned. Of course, with Ivies, you never really know because they have so many 4.0-students applying, but you’re a very competitive applicant. Don’t worry too much about your GPA; you’re only a sophomore and have some time to get it up. Do try to get it to 3.7-3.8 or above in the next few years. Since you go to a prep school that presumably sends a bunch of kids to top schools each year, admissions officers will be aware of the competition at your school and may be a bit more understanding in terms of your GPA.

@IsoDidact Are you sure that that is true or are you just making a guess?

I wouldn’t spread that sort of stuff if it’s just an assumption. First off, I doubt colleges sort prospective major by race. Also, I would not be surprised if Asians were over-represented in all majors due to the sheer quantity of demand from Asians in general.

@TryYourBest1 Honestly you can do it — you got a perfect on the AMC 10 which shows you definitely have aptitude for math. The way I got past AIME was I simply worked on AIME problems whenever possible, and finally when the day came, I blasted through the test, qualifying for USAMO. This is just to show you that it’s not an impossible task by any means. You can definitely do it!

@Flurite I do believe what @IsoDidact says is true, for one there are SO many asians in STEM fields, being one (in terms of race) will not make you any different. However, being Latino or Black can because by stats their are less of those in that specific field.

@VenomBuds Thanks man! I will definitely work hard for it! I worked my a** off for the AMC10 XD.
I mainly use AoPS and Khan Academy to study for these competitions, do you have any other tips or suggestions how to crack the AIME or USAMO? Also, congrats on qualifying for USAMO! Since you got there, how hard was the actual exam at USAMO? I have seen problems from previous years and I can barely do one or two…im working on it though!
Also, I’m REALLY worried about the Math Level 2 Subject Test…normally I think I am strong in math but I got a 750. Its not bad but it was 60th percentile so that was a shocker to me. Did you take the subject test, if so any tips!?

@TryYourBest1 My point is is that there are a disproportionate number of Asians in every major/program, regardless of STEM or not. Being Asian in history is not some sort of thing that’s going to make you stand out. On a similar note, being a URM will help regardless of your major.

@Flurite What is a URM?

@TryYourBest1 IMO, you shouldn’t worry about the USAMO problems itself — it’s much more important you qualify for it! But yeah it was pretty hard! For the SAT math II subject test, honestly I’m not sure — if you got 150 on AMC 10 it should be a breeze for you to get 800. Just work quickly.

@TryYourBest1 under represented minority

@Flurite @IsoDidact

I don’t honestly think I am an under represented minority. Being from India, there are SO many people that apply to the great schools. Technically, I am a minority but its simply not the case for applications…

@TryYourBest1 is that you Tenay?

You’re a sophomore and you released an album and won all those awards and had an internship at GOOGLE? I kind of hate you if this is real :///// gj tho

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