Chance Me? Princeton, Hopkins, Penn, Harvard, MIT?

Chance me for the new application cycle w/o SATs for Princeton, Hopkins, UPenn, Harvard, and MIT?
I haven’t taken the SAT due to Covid-19.

3.97/4.00 Unweighted GPA

AP Calc BC: 5, AP Calc AB Subscore: 5
AP Physics 1: 5
AP Statistics: 5
AP Biology: 4
AP World History: 4
AP Microeconomics: I’m guessing 4 or 5?
AP Macroeconomics: I’m guessing 4 or 5?
SAT Subject Tests: Math 2 (770), Biology M (770)

Extracurriculars:

  1. TA for AP Calculus BC class, AP Calculus AB class, and AP Statistics class
  2. Research Project for Sports Medicine in ASA, currently in the process of getting published with Harvard’s JEI journal
  3. MIT Covid19 Hackathon
  4. 3 Summers Medical Internship and Volunteer at Johns Hopkins Hospital: 80+ hours per summer
  5. Team USA Figure Skater. Represents team USA internationally as a singles figure skater. International silver medalist. Top 10 in the US, 4x US Nationals competitor, US Eastern Sectionals Champion, 5x US South Atlantic Regionals Champion, etc
    (I heard that Princeton tends to favor athletes and their skaters but if anyone has any experience please share :))

Future Medical Leader Award of Excellence by pHD doctor

I am currently waiting to see if I placed top 3 at the ASA competition for my research :slight_smile:

Homeschooled to accommodate figure skating training and international competition schedule.

I planned on applying to Princeton EA, but since they just took out the EA, I can’t decide where to apply early. My top 2 choices are Princeton and Hopkins, but I am a bit hesitant on applying ED to Hopkins as it is binding. I want to major in cellular and molecular biology and eventually go into med school for surgery. Should I ED Hopkins, or should I REA Harvard/MIT and take my chances RD at Princeton, Hopkins and UPenn? Thoughts?

You are a strong candidate. While nothing is guaranteed, you are right to be aiming at this level. You have a great combination of athletics and academics. The only weakness I see are the 4s in APs, but if your figure skating takes a lot of hours, can be overlooked.

Do any of the colleges recruit for figure seating? If so, that’s your best bet.

What are you looking for in a college? What level of academic intensity are you seeking? There is no right or wrong answer here. But MIT is very different from Harvard or Penn.

Normally I would say that MIT isn’t great for pre-med because the workload is heavy and getting As there is much more difficult than say Harvard or Yale, and GPA matters a lot for medical school admissions. But some people do make MIT work for them.

Harvard is a reasonable EA target, as is Yale. Your chances are likely better at Yale because they actively recruit strong science kids. I would also add Michigan as a match school so you have a solid EA fallback from which to build for RD.

You may also want to explore some of the strong LACs as well. Their academics are just as strong for your desired undergrad, but they have a completely different vibe.

Thanks so much! Do you have any input into Hopkins or Princeton?

I have also been offered a contract for the 2022 Winter Olympics for figure skating.

First of all, congratulations on qualifying for the Olympics. That is a great achievement and honor.

I am assuming you want to compete, but if so it raises more questions than answers. While I have no doubt you are capable, you will have two very important areas competing for your time. The first is your desire to go into medicine. The pre-med track is hard everywhere, even at lax grading colleges like Harvard, because you have very bright students competing for a limited number of As. And the second of course is the time required for your sport.

Given this, I would put less emphasis on Princeton and Hopkins, as they are both academically intense in all classes, not just the pre-med classes. Among the Ivys, you may also want to avoid Columbia and Cornell as they are also known for their academic intensity.

If you are going to compete in 2022, you want to join a college that understands the time and travel demands made upon Olympic athletes and supports them well. If you look at colleges with the most Olympic gold mdeals, the top 4 spots are all California schools (USC, Stanford, UCLA, Berkeley) that you may want to add to your list. Michigan, which I mentioned earlier, is 5th. Both Harvard and Yale make the top 10.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_American_universities_with_Olympic_medals

I recommend creating a separate thread asking which top 40 universities and LACs have good support for Olympic athletes. Put that in the athletic recruiting thread (http://talk.qa.collegeconfidential.com/athletic-recruits/). Also, given this is College Confidential, I recommend less personal detail on future threads regarding figure skating as it may become possible to identify you. Just say you are a 2022 Olympic athlete.

Thank you, but I have decline the offer for the 2022 Olympics due to other reasons. What would you recommend based off of that?

Qualifying for the olympics is a huge achievement, and will certainly make you stand out. Why would you decline the offer?

In that case, what matters most is fit. My son and I visited every college in your title. He applied to four of them, and was admitted to three. Every one of them is excellent, but each fits some students better than others.

Two things to to consider before choosing a college. The first thing is that most students change their mind about what they want to study. My daughter intended to be pre-med until a few months before high school graduation. She also changed her major after she arrived in college, and her story is typical. You might be pretty sure now you want to be a doctor now, but once in college, you may find many other areas that interest you. And that’s fine because every college you listed will let you change majors easily.

But let’s assume you really decide to stick with medicine. You can do pre-med from any major. To be pre-med you simply have to fill a specific set of requirements which can be done regardless of major. People become doctors after getting an undergraduate degree in areas ranging from Computer Science, English Literature, Engineering, and Philosophy. And of course Biology, because that naturally fits with the pre-med requirements. But note biology majors that don’t attend medical school have limited career prospects without further study.

MIT is academically intense AND competitive (I am an alum). MIT will tell you they are all about collaboration, and that is true, but it is the students that push themselves to their limits. Some find this exhilarating and learn what they are really capable of at MIT. Others find this environment doesn’t suit them. Pre-med at MIT is difficult but possible, as the following student blog discusses:

https://mitadmissions.org/blogs/entry/premed/

Princeton is academically intense but the impression we get is that it’s not competitive. Beautiful campus in a lovely small town if that’s your thing. I visited it with both my kids. My son loved the environment but my daughter is a city girl and took one look and was ready to leave mid-tour. But it’s well known to be the most undergraduate focused among the schools you listed and I hear the support system is great. Preparing for MCAT can be difficult because Princeton requires two papers during junior year and a senior thesis which are a lot of work. But Princeton students still do well in terms of medical school admissions, with roughly 90% getting into medical school.

Johns Hopkins has a reputation for being academically intense across all departments and being competitive for medical school. Because it is known as a great school for pre-med, many students apply saying they are interested in becoming a doctor and they actually face a more difficult application process because they have too many aspiring doctors and not nearly as many future liberal arts PhDs as they would like. I think your chances of admission are good either way. A downside is that Hopkins is in an unsafe city so you have to be careful off campus.

Harvard can be as easy or as difficult as you want to make it. It, along with Yale, Dartmouth, and Brown are considered the “easy Ivys”. At Harvard, half the class gets an A- or better in each class, and the average GPA is near 3.7. It is more selective than the other colleges you listed but may make sense for EA as I mentioned earlier.

I know Penn the least well among the colleges on your title. It does have an advantage of having the medical school on the main campus, which provides for great research opportunities.

In terms of lower reaches, you should take a serious look at Rice in Houston. Very undergraduate focused, beautiful campus and competes for the “happiest students” award. And a big benefit for Rice is that the world’s largest hospital complex, the Texas Medical Center, is literally right across the street so ample opportunities for research. Vanderbilt also competes for happiest students and another benefit re Vanderbilt is that you are likely competitive for one of their full-tuition scholarships.

In addition to these schools, you may want to add some LACs, as you can get a great pre-med education at many places. I have tagged @MWolf who understands LACs better.

@peacapita Considering that you have been mostly homeschooled, I would say that LACs may be a good choice for you. Many of the most selective LACs also have a very strong athletic bend, so that the fact that you are a world-class athlete will provide you an additional boost on top of having a great GPA. Having academic credentials in addition to being a an athlete is definitely a plus.

However, will you want to figure skate in college, and at what level?

Finally, what are your parents’ financial limitations? While, as an international level skater with excellent academic credentials, you will be competitive for any college, will your parents be able to afford Harvard or Johns Hopkins?

Only a few of the most selective Liberal Arts colleges actually have a competitive Figure skating team. These include Colby, Colgate, Colorado College, and Mount Holyoke, if you’re OK with a woman’s only college.

If you are not interested in continuing skating at an intercollegiate level, the list may be expanded.