<p>Ill cut to the chase: i want to apply to just two 7 year programs.
these are: Brown BS/MD and Northwestern HPME.</p>
<p>I know these are hard to get into and that i would have it easier to get into Harvard and Wharton. </p>
<p>Stats</p>
<p>GPA 3.83 :( school doesnt rank but cant be good. (top 12% ish??)
SAT projected from practice tests: 2310 plus minus 20
SAT 2:
Biology 800
Chemistry 800,
Math 2(projected score): 800
Mandarin (native speaker) pretty sure about 800.</p>
<p>EC
some leadership: peer leader of school, Interact, Westinghouse project leader, treasurer
Volunteer: 200 hours in hospital, 500 hours+ researching
Will be submiting a siemens and YES next year. Will submit again for Siemens, Intel, and YES again Senior year. A semifinalist will REALLY boost my chances(2 kids with comparable stats in my school- one with a Intel and Siemens semifinalist and one without. Difference? Harvard for the one with and Duke for the one without)</p>
<p>should i even take Mandarin?
I am concerned for my GPA because i realize almost every acceptant is a Val/Sal.</p>
<p>Do i have a reasonable chance given that these programs have <1% accept rate? I know northwestern takes 50 kids out of thousands of applicants :O.</p>
<p>Do you have US citizenship of green card???</p>
<p>If you don’t have, going US univs as Asian without citizenship or residency
would be pretty tough…
I even saw a Korean(he was completely international) who failed
all ivies and top schools except U of Chicago even if
he had SAT 2300+ and GPA 4.0 unweighted and
had 750+ on 3 or 4 SAT subjects and all 5’s on over 10 APs
(for EC i think he had decent ECs…)</p>
<p>green card. What suggested that i am an international???!!!
if i submit for siemens, i am either a LPR (green card) or citizen.
Just to clear it up, i am not international, moved to US when i was 4. Refused to get citizenship (STILL AM A LEGAL PERMENANT resident) because i did not want my name in draft. I will get my ass drafted in WW3.
(keeping in mind I am not international):
Umm, i will probably have better test scores and EC than the korean not to be arrogant. 800 for bio and chem already… so…
700 hrs of volunteer work cant hurt right (especially towards that STS and Siemens :)).</p>
<p>I say it’s hard, but not impossible. I wouldn’t get my hopes up if I were you though. Any sports or other clubs? I think your ECs are kind of weak. A lot of volunteering though, which will help. good luck</p>
<p>CC’er, you sound like the most racist jerk ever. how dare u phrase your comments in such a manner? it’s offensive to me and everyone else in this forum and i would appreciate it if you watch what you post here.</p>
<p>How is it racist?? Im asian arent i?
Swim: why is my EC week? Being in 50 clubs is useless. But if it floats your boat, i do basketball and swimming. Won awards for both. Math team, Science Team, won state individual awards for both, in addition to what is listed.</p>
<p>yes, you have the stats to get you in the door. but that’s about all one can count on. The adcoms look for quality of character and the potential to be a good physician. If you truly believe you have a passion for medicine; it will show in your essays, teacher recs (if the teachers know you well), and your interviews. I know Brown PLME places great emphasis on the essays, much more so than scores and stats.</p>
<p>^^^ as much as i want to agree, the average acceptant into PLME is in the top 2% of his/her class. From the statistics, it seems to be very Test and Grade driven.</p>
<p>Test and grade driven to get your foot in the door? Yes.</p>
<p>But to actually get into the program, once your foot is in the door? No.</p>
<p>CC’er, your comments in this thread and others are extremely racist, and judging by your comments in other threads, you really have no idea what medicine is all about. God help us if you become a physician with the attitude you have now.</p>
<p>With my current stats, i think have a more than ample chance. If i get rejected from these due to personal qualities ill just go for a MD/MBA for extra earning power at a top 10. If im going to waste 8 years in college, im gonna do it thoroughly.</p>
<p>with that attitude adcoms will see right through whatever faux-heartfelt rationale you come up with for becoming a doctor. The students who are accepted are obviously in the top 2%, but the applicant pool is self-selective and thus, most applicants are in the top 2%.</p>
<p>“it seems to be very Test and Grade driven.” </p>
<ul>
<li>yes, as a way of getting applicants in the door. For Brown PLME the numerous essays give the adcoms an idea of why you would be a good fit for the PLME. For NU HPME, as with other programs that have an interview process, your grades and application get you only to your interview; your interview determines acceptance.</li>
</ul>
<p>and “top 10” schools also don’t just look at stats and grades. College applications are multi-faceted because each portion is taken into consideration. For top 10 schools and HYP in particular, the “extras” are very subjective and make the process much more of a crapshoot than BA/MD programs. At least with BA/MD programs the “extras” are predetermined: volunteering, shadowing, research. Banking on any college acceptance is foolish and ignorant; just submit the best application you can and roll with the punches. You can get into the schools you would have never expected to get into and you may as well get rejected or waitlisted from schools that you expected to get into.</p>
<p>^^^well, i go to a elite prep school in NYC so… expect a few B+'s. I am sorry my school does not have hyper grade inflation like yours. “why is ur gpa so fail.” Wow… how often do you get beat up in school? From this comment, the answer is: not often enough.</p>
<p>I think the essay is really overrated. Sure its important when 2 applicants of similar stats are compared. But dont expect the essay itself to get you into a top 10 when you have 2000 SAT, a 3.6 GPA, and little EC. Luckily for me, I dont have any of those. I think a siemens or an intel is worth about 10 good essays. Like some of the adcoms say, the “westinghouse is weighted heavily.” Now we are unsure which one is the westinghouse although Intel did officially buy it.</p>
<p>In any case, 1 intel semi or siemens semi = 10000000000000 "unique and fun and interesting’ essays.</p>
<p>These programs are the most selective ones. I do not know why such a restriction, but I am afraid top 12% and gpa=3.83 would not cut it. You are going against mostly people graduated #1 in class with 4.0uw who would be eisily accepted to Ivy’s. I do not want to discourage, I would like to be realistic. There are other bs/md’s that you would have a better chance.</p>
<p>What don’t you understand about the fact that if someone is going to grant you admission into a medical school, they’ll want to know if you truly want to go into medicine for the right reasons. How do they gauge this? Having you write about it/talk about it. Sure INTEL is a very respectable and honorable accomplishment that significantly boosts your chances, but unless you can sell yourself and your genuine motives through your writing and interviews, you won’t get in. No one is arguing that 2000 SATs get into ivys (even though they do, because of other facets of their application/special circumstances); we are all saying that the scores and grades are just a prereq to be seriously considered for admission. Just wait until the unstoppable force (randomness and subjectivity of college acceptances) meets the immovable object (you) and you’re left crying in your bedroom because you assumed that numbers = acceptance.</p>
<p>i think hes pretty funny. if you can BS the essay, you will get an interview easy. the interview will be tough, though, without much med stuff to talk about. good luck.</p>