Chances for my #1 LAC, Pomona.

<p>Hi guys, I'm an International Student from Pakistan. I will not be asking for financial aid.</p>

<p>My Stats are as follows:</p>

<p>GPA: Roughly 3.87 UW, school doesn't calculate.
Class Rank: In the Top 5% according to my GCSE grades, 5 A<em>s, 6 As. Otherwise, also in the top 5-10%.
SAT I: First try: 2070 - 750 CR, 660 M, 660 W.
Second try: 2290 - 750 CR, 740 M, 800 W.
GCSEs: As mentioned, 5 A</em>s, 6 As. Topped in my school in English.</p>

<p>ECs: President -Performing Arts; Lead Role, English Play 2 years running; Will direct Sweeney Todd next year; Speaker - Debate Squad 3 years running and won several debate tournaments; Shortlisted - National Debating Team; Won the award for Best English Parliamentary Debater and Declamation Speaker at my school; Member of the MUN squad - have participated in and won at several conferences in Pakistan and India; Won the award for Best English Essay Writer; Paid freelancer for National Daily Newspaper since July 2011; Chief Editor, School Literary Magazine; </p>

<p>My school is a British style boarding school, founded in the 19th century. Each year, we send a great many students to top universities all around the world. This year, we have students accepted to Oxford, Cambridge and LSE among others in the UK and Princeton, Brown, Middlebury, Duke, Northwestern, Berkeley, UCLA among others in the US. Last year, we had acceptances from Harvard, Princeton, Yale, Penn, Stanford, Cornell, Vanderbilt, Chicago and many more.</p>

<p>As far as community service/internships are concerned, I have two lined up for the summer. The first at the only think-tank on International Law in the country, and the second at a Non-Government Micro-finance Organization which helps impoverished rural and urban women start up their own small businesses. Both are very esteemed organizations, the first run by a Cambridge educated lawyer, and the second by a Yale educated banker. </p>

<p>Pomona seems like an absolute dream! I fell in love with it the moment I first visited its website. Its campus and the whole Consortium look absolutely wonderful - tight-knit without being suffocating, with an excellent academic setup as well as a good social scene. It honestly does seem like the place for me. I love the relatively chilled out vibe I get, and the fact that it was named one of the Happiest Colleges really impresses me, considering so many people I know have been terribly unhappy during their college experience. I would really appreciate the chance! thank you!</p>

<p>And Sorry for the gigantic post!</p>

<p>Is there a college in the US that you haven’t posted a “chance me” thread for? Geesh! You’re either very bored or very insecure.</p>

<p>more like very restless. Anyway, I realize this sort of behaviour seems desperate and I myself would get extremely annoyed if someone else did it. Sorry for causing you guys any annoyance.</p>

<p>You got a “Chilled out vibe” from a website? haha</p>

<p>You want reassurance, which is normal. The fact of the matter is that no one on this board can tell you if you will get into any of these top schools. I can give you examples of kids who were accepted at Harvard but rejected from Hamilton, or waitlisted at Union and accepted to Williams. Your boards are impressive, as are your grades. The one thing you have working against you is that you’re an international applicant in a very competitive environment. All of the schools on your list are seeing huge increases in applications from international students. For example, in 1999, Middlebury had 60 international applicants, admitted 47 of them, and 47 enrolled. Last year, Middlebury received applications from more than 1,800 international students from 110 countries, and admitted 12% of them. In fact, 500 kids applied to Middlebury from mainland China alone. </p>

<p>You’re a strong candidate, but so are thousands of other kids vying to get acceptance letters from top universities and LACs.</p>

<p>Thank you! I don’t think many people from Pakistan apply to Pomona, though. Does that matter? Also, how much does a student not asking for aid matter to Pomona?</p>

<p>Seriously?</p>

<p>what?</p>

<p>10char</p>

<p>You’d be surprised at how many applications top LACs get from students in Pakistan.</p>

<p>I said Pomona. Even thought it is one of THE best LACs, people in Pakistan mostly know about LACs in the Northeast, Mid-Atlantic and Midwest. Places like Amherst, Williams, Swarthmore, Middlebury, Bowdoin, Carleton, Oberlin, Vassar, etc. are, for some reason, more well-known here than West Coast LACs like Pomona, CMC, Harvey Mudd, Scripps, Whitman and Reed. I know one person this year who applied and got in to Reed and another who got in to Scripps, but no one at CMC, Pomona or Harvey Mudd. It’s sad but most people think if you have to apply to California, then the only places worth it are Stanford, Caltech, Berkeley and, to a lesser extent, UCLA and USC.</p>

<p>This certainly won’t help keep Pomona a secret in Pakistan.</p>

<p>[Pomona</a> College Announces Speakers for 119th Commencement Ceremony: Cameron Munter to be Principal Speaker - Pomona College](<a href=“http://www.pomona.edu/news/2012/03/14-commencement-speakers-2012.aspx]Pomona”>http://www.pomona.edu/news/2012/03/14-commencement-speakers-2012.aspx)</p>

<p>Hi Princeton2017! I’m Pakistani as well but a US Citizen, and will be going to Pomona this fall. Your stats seem very similar to mines (I had a 3.8 UW GPA, was just barely in the top 5%, and had a 2300 SAT) so I think you’re objectively well off. I’ll note though that these stats are very much “average” for a Pomona international student- you won’t get any sort of boost from them, nor will you get a penalty. </p>

<p>Your extracurricular activities look good on paper. I see a lot of passion in your writing abilities- 800 SAT W, writing awards, freelancing, editing. I also see a lot of passion in your debate. This type of concentration shows to me that you hold certain things with a lot of passion and that you will be an active contributor to Pomona’s campus. To be honest, I feel your ECs will help you- most Pakistani undergraduates and international students I know usually are involved with math or science accomplishments so you will most likely be presenting a unique application to all the schools you are applying to.</p>

<p>The community service/internship part seems a little rushed. It seems like you have suddenly decided to come to the internship to boost your application, instead of a passion that you have had over the years. However, I know that there are instances where people who come in are much more active contributors than are people who have established their reputation, so I would give you the benefit of doubt. Your essays will really allow me to judge your level of passion, so make sure you work on them!</p>

<p>Arcardia makes a good conclusion- “You’re a strong candidate, but so are thousands of other kids vying to get acceptance letters from top universities and LACs.” Pomona has become insanely competitive to get into. They wait-listed my valedictorian, who like you has one several English Awards (such as Scholastic National Writing Award Gold Key) yet even higher objective stats, and rejected many strong contenders from my school that got into schools like Columbia, University of Chicago, UPenn, Yale, and Stanford. Pomona is arguably just as hard to get into these schools because a very selective pool applies here. </p>

<p>The thing that will distinguish Pomona’s admission process is that it tends to be a lot more intimate. I know most of the admission officers there personally and they recognized me too when I mentioned my name. As a result they really want to know who you are as a person and what you stand for, but I also get the impression they can pick off who’s genuine and who isn’t in the application pool. I’d advise against trying to advertise the school, for Pomona admission officers have told me they get bored reading that. Focus on what you’d bring to the community that the 7500 or so applicants may not, what your own interests are and how you will mold them if you were to be accepted to Pomona, the less superficial reasons as to why you and Pomona would enjoy a mutual growth. For your general essays, speak with passion and your own unique voice. I think you’ll be fine as it’s clear you’re an exceptional writer, but it’s just something worth noting. Your essays are what will get you admitted based on your profile- it’s very unlikely other things will. If you are interested in reading mines, I’d be glad to PM to you =]</p>

<p>Thank you so, so much, nostalgicwisdom! </p>

<p>BTW, the reason I’m doing two internships this year is because, even though I was supposed to do one last year, the think tank one, I ended up going to France for an intensive language course at the Institut de Touraine. I decided to do both of them this year because I was actually really interested in both. </p>

<p>Yeah, hopefully my passion will come across in my essays. I was actually pretty excited to write a ‘Why Pomona?’ essay, and then I saw that they don’t usually have that in their supplement. Their admissions process seems very holistic and that really does appeal to me.</p>

<p>and yes, I’d love to read yours!</p>

<p>As for your point about being Pakistani, I’d say it won’t hurt you. Only about 40-50 of the 7500 people applying to Pomona are of Pakistani descent. Pomona in my opinion has a paucity in terms of them(and Bangladeshis) and I think it recognizes that fact. You won’t get a underrepresented minority boost, but you’ll be slightly helped as Pomona strive to create a diverse multiracial and international community. </p>

<p>Lastly, to comment on your initial points at why Pomona. I visited the school for the Diversity Weekend Program (they paid for my airfare) so I think I can give you an understanding of what Pomona is like.</p>

<p>Yes, the campus is very, very beautiful. Whatever pictures you are seeing on the internet will most likely not be doing it any justice, and I personally feel it’s tragic how Pomona doesn’t seem to get ranked in the schools that are the most beautiful in the world. There are four very exceptional liberal arts college right next door to Pomona that are just as stunning as Pomona is, and Claremont is one of the most charming, beautiful places I’ve been to. I never felt any persecution or prejudice for being Pakistani, which was something I was a little worried about. </p>

<p>The consortium is arguably the best ideas to have come to any undergraduate LAC experience, period. The school seems a lot bigger than your traditional liberal art college would and you’re among a population of 7000 undergraduates no more than 15 minutes away, so it’s definitely in my opinion not suffocating. Cross enrolling is a breeze and every student I talked to said they loved the other schools to death, from the professors to the people. The consortium doesn’t feel like a neighborhood of houses but rather a family community in which the five schools come together to provide one of the most enriching experiences you can make in any college. Lastly, the consortium doesn’t detract from Pomona’s benefits as a LAC- extremely tight knit community, small classes, accessible professors, and it’s not forced upon you- you don’t have to take advantage of it if you don’t want to. You’d be missing out on Scripps’s wonderful cookies though ;)</p>

<p>I thought the social scene is just right- it’s very well balanced. I’d not want to go to a school that was social suicide nearly every day, nor would I want to go to a school that revolved entirely around frats and the like. The 5C’s provide a social event nearly every Wed-Sun of the week. As a Muslim, I don’t do alcohol, and I must comment that there is a LOT of alcohol at the 5C’s. But no one forced me to drink, and I had a blast regardless, so it’s very accommodating. There are also social events sponsored by a nonalcoholic club called That Saturday Club which involve things such as making gingerbread houses, fighting arena style with giant rubber rods, and the like, so there’s something in here for everyone. You can make your social scene is big or as tiny as you want to, and very diverse as well. I do think you might want to take the sub-free vs sub-op point seriously- I stayed at sub-free dorm and some rooms just reeked of the smell of weed. </p>

<p>Academically, the class is very, very smart. I sat down in an English class and the class discussion really stunned me- it was definitely many levels above your high school discussion(I go to a top 50 high school in the US). I was worried about the fact that you take 5 Breadth courses at Pomona, but everyone I asked really praised it, saying that there was so much freedom of class options at Pomona and the 5C’s that one was bound to find a class that would fit their majors. Everyone I asked raved about how amazing their professors were, and while I was exploring the campus I saw professors enjoying lunch with students while they were discussing homework. Definitely an intimate experience. Pomona’s facilities are SO amazing and up-to-date. I was worried it being a small LAC would limit it in terms of that, but Pomona has the largest endowment per student of any of the LACs and you can definitely feel it in the air while you’re there.</p>

<p>Chilled out vibe seems reasonable, but I’d go with the term “work hard play hard”. Pomona students are very, very relaxed for the most part- maybe it’s just a California thing but it was a refreshing experience from my competitive and misery pokeresque high school. No one talks about their grades, their ranks, or other silly stuff like that. However, that does not mean Pomona is a lightweight of an education. People definitely study a lot here- the focal point is the education. It’s just that Pomona students are well-rounded enough to transition smoothly from a great social scene in the weekend to commitment to their studies in the weekday- I really loved that. Pomona, most told me, is extremely hard and academically fulfilling, and you will have those days where you’ll drown in the massive amount of homework you have for your classes. But they also said they felt the grading was fair- Pomona professors grade you based on your individual performance and not that of the class. Ultimately, when I brought up the point that the average GPA at Pomona was a 3.55, they said it was attribute to that fact and how smart the class was, not that Pomona was easy.</p>

<p>Happiness, oh yes. There is definitely an element of happiness in Pomona’s vibe. It’s clear Pomona kids are pampered- I saw all sorts of events going on at Pomona from international festivals to music concerts in just three days at Pomona, and a huge list of subsidized trips to explore LA in the Smith Campus Center. I did not meet a single person who said they disliked the school, and looking through it while touring, it was clear to me everyone was really happy to be there. I think it comes from a lot of factors- of how nurturing the school is, at the freedom of the place, the sunny smog-free weather, the multitude of things to do and clubs to join, the academics, the location, the fact that most if not all of these events are subsidized/free and open to everyone. I could not see a single flaw when I went on the Weekend program. That says multitudes about the type of place Pomona is. Some freshman did point out that there are times you’ll really hate Pomona, mainly because you’re in your room trying to finish a 30 page research paper while the sun is shining and your friends are outside playing Ultimate Frisbee :P</p>

<p>I was initially worried about Pomona not executing well in real life, but every good thing you read about it is true, perhaps even an understatement to the experience. I have come to agree with those who call Pomona the best kept secret in undergraduate education. Where else can you get an education parallel to the Ivy League and top national universities, the intimacy and nurturing nature of a liberal art college, perpetual sunny weather and mild days, an exceptionally well-rounded and friendly class, a consortium of very conveniently located and amazing LACs that contain one of the most diverse communities of any college system in America, 7 dining halls, over 2500 classes, the largest library system any liberal arts college has to offer, and smooth cross-enrolling policies, a wonderful administration that really cares about you, an endowment per student that ranks within the top 5 of any college in the USA, the freedom and balance to make your experience as you want it to be, the opportunity to have anything significant you want funded for you as well to conduct research, and within one of the best locations of anywhere in the world, period[Within an hour ‘s drive to skiing, beaches, national parks, deserts, Disneyland, Los Angeles, arboretums, and mountains, away from the bustle and smog of LA in one of the most beautiful places in California]? Pomona’s exceptional in the Princeton Review (which is compiled by student surveys), ranking high in nearly all of the things important in undergraduate education- Best Classroom Experience, Most Accessible Professors, Runs like Butter, Happiest Students, Best Values, Best Financial Aid, Best Quality of Life, and Dorms like Palaces. It’s a one-of-a-kind school and if you get in I’d seriously consider it!</p>

<p>Yes, my school is EXACTLY the kind of place where grades, ranks, awards are COVETED, which wouldn’t be a problem but it’s so damn cutthroat it just turns me off. I’m glad Pomona isn’t that kind of a place. Makes me love it even more. If I get in, I’ll be there! :p</p>

<p>Hey, I’m an international who briefly considered attending Pomona. Its an absolutely great school, and I am sure you will love it if you are lucky enough to be admitted. Objectively, your stats look pretty good. You should have an above average chance of being accepted. Also, do you attend roots or karachi grammar school? I’m curious because I have friends who go to both.</p>

<p>haha No, none of the above. :stuck_out_tongue: </p>

<p>I’m from Lahore.</p>

<p>Where did you end up going?</p>