Chances into UIUC? (International STudent)

<p>hello everyone,
i'm relatively new here, happened to stumbled upon this forum. I'm from Singapore, taken the GCSE A level examination .. my grades are only C average. I'm looking into studying in the US. My SAT scores is only 1770, TOEFL 270/300 .. together with my O levels, I will submit altogether. </p>

<pre><code> anyone can advice me on the chances on admitting into US unis? majoring in business. I'm trying on a few, mainly UIUC, USC, U washington @ Seattle, U Texas @ Austin and Purdue. what you guys think? i'm rooting for UIUC ...

             pretty stress up here over this issue, and preparing for the essays now .. any advices? thanks ....

</code></pre>

<p>upppzzzzzz</p>

<p>What is your SAT without the writing section? UIUC only uses the math + verbal score for decisions. Also, can you give your class rank? Aside from test score and class rank, essays are the most important factor in UIUC business admissions. Make sure that in the professional statement (essay #2), you make it clear that you are enthusiastic about studying business.</p>

<p>i only got 1250 (maths + verbal) .. Gshine, can help me foolproof my essay? i send you ..</p>

<p>I think the problem most of us have is that we don't know how to equate Singapore grades to US grades. For example a C average here in the US is 2.0--but that is usually barely enough to get into the worst colleges--not the best ones. And UIUC ranks as one of the better ones (it's #42 on the national universities list--and there are over 2,800 colleges in the US). </p>

<p>Explain a little about how these grades of yours compare in Singapore to other students (this is the reason one of the other posters asked for your rank) and we'll be able to give you a better estimate of your chances at UIUC and other colleges here.</p>

<p>ok the problem here is, the GCSE A levels is mostly regarded as transfer of credits. our high school here, which is GCSE O levels is probably enough to get in to US uni as a freshman..</p>

<p>of course, there are singaporeans scoring straight A for their A levels. i cant be compared to them .. that's why i'm not applying or looking at those top universities.</p>

<p>maybe to put it in the other way round, what are the list of US unis that are middle class tier? cause i think i cant really look at top universities in the US.</p>

<p>80 kids from my high school were incoming freshmen at UIUC (I have no clue how many were admitted). Move to Illinois and you will have a better chance!</p>

<p>upppppzzzzz</p>

<p>got a question here ... what's suppose to be in for teacher's recommendation?in what areas should the teacher look at you? how long must it be? 1 page?</p>

<p>Schools in the US are ranked first tier, third tier, or fourth tier--plus there are community colleges, which are feeder colleges (meaning you go there your first two years and try to get good enough grades to the first tier schools during the final two years;-if your grades aren't good enough, then you transfer to a third or fourth tier school if you still want to get a four-year degree--of you just quit college after two years--when you normally get what's called an Associate of Arts degree). Also, there are LAC (liberal arts colleges, which generally are in the first two tiers).</p>

<p>Keep in mind that most "second tier" colleges (the lower half of the first tier--since there really is no listing for "second tier") are still tremendously strong colleges here--and may have thirty to fifty thousand students taking over 6000 different classes per semester from over 1,000 faculty (teaching) members. And the school may be sponsoring hundreds of millions of dollars of research in medical, production, and engineering areas. And in some disciplines, they may be considered one of the top ten schools in the country. For example, Boston University, Ohio State, Indiana University and Purdue University all fall into this category. Boston University and Ohio State University have fabulous medical programs and biology programs tied to strong medical hospitals on campus. Indiana University has a business school ranked in the top 10 undergraduate business programs in the country. And Purdue University is ranked in the top five in engineering in three different areas. </p>

<p>So basically what I'm saying is that there is only a slight difference between first tier (top half) and first tier (second half) in terms of education. The only difference is in terms of how difficult they are to get into--primarily because of a "prestige" factor--which is usually related to the fact that ALL of their departments are really strong at the prestige schools. Take UC Berkeley--which has 36 areas you can study in as a graduate student. 35 of these departments rank in the top 10 for that major nationwide. For example, their nuclear engineering is ranked #2 nationally, antropology probably around #8, etc. That's the difference between the schools.</p>

<p>The absolutely top of these schools are the eight members of the Ivy league (Harvard, Princeton, Yale, Columbia, Dartmouth, Brown, Univ of Pennsylvania, and Cornell), some of the top LACs (like Williams, Amhertst, Swarthmore, and Wellesley), and top-notch scientific schools like MIT, Caltech, Carnegie Mellon and John Hopkins. And then just a few other top schools, like Stanford, Northwestern, Duke, Univ of Chicago, UC Berkeley, UCLA, Notre Dame, Tufts, Vanderbilt, Emory, Georgetown, University of Virginia, University of Michigan and Rice University.</p>

<p>Altogether there are about 50 national universities and about 10 to 15 LACs that make up the first tier.</p>

<p>As far as 2nd tier (schools in the bottom half of the first tier), which is what you should consider, here are a few of the best of the more than 75 schools:</p>

<p>University of Texas at Austin, Fordham University, University of Pittsburgh, University of Maryland--College Park, University of Connecticut, Purdue University, Indiana University at Bloomington, Ohio State University, Boston University, University of Minnesota--Twin Cities, University of Oregon, Texas A&M, University of Miami (Florida), George Washington University, University of Iowa, and University of California at Santa Cruz. </p>

<p>There are thousands of colleges in the US, so there is no way I can list them all here.</p>

<p>P.S. UIUC (University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign) is ranked #42 on the first-tier list (which puts it in the top half).</p>

<p>Good luck.</p>

<p>What kind of math/verbals do you need to get into UIUC internationally (Canada)?</p>

<p>I have 670 Critical Reading and 590 Math, with an 83-86% average throughout HS here (which is an A)... chances?</p>

<p>The average SAT scores at UIUC are about 614CR and 674 Math. I would presume that an international applicant needs about those scores to qualify. A US student could probably get in with very slightly lower scores.</p>

<p>The average GPA (UW) of the incoming UIUC student is about 3.60, and I would presume you would need the equivalent as an international student.</p>