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<p>Sparknotes is NOT cheating. It's an aid, a resource like panic said.</p>

<p>sparknotes is cheating. as i said in my last post there are different levels of cheating.
you're not cheating other students--they have the resource too, and it's not their work that you're taking. but it's still cheating, instead of using your own thoughts and ideas which was the teacher's intention (because "no sparknotes" goes without saying) you're using an outside resource to do the assignment for you</p>

<p>Even if I use it to clarifly facts from reading and check my comphrehension that's cheating?
Ok, if students were plagiarizing off it that's definitely cheating. But using it for clarification/review?</p>

<p>Yes, it's cheating. Why do you have to check Sparknotes to clarify facts or check comprehension? If you don't get it, it's due to a lack of reading skills on your part. I mean, come on. This is English homework you're working on. The point of English class is to teach you reading skills/comprehension. If you dont know how to do the assignment (ie, you lack the skills to understand the text) you don't go to an outside source to basically do the reading for you. I'm not trying to insult you. I've had the same problem many times--I don't understand the text. But as with any other assignment, if you don't understand part of it, you ask the teacher or keep trying. It's analogous to doing a math problem for homework...the teacher expects you to do the problem yourself. If you go to a website that walks you through the problem so you can "check your steps" then that's cheating too.</p>

<p>the sad part is that when people cheat, (the stupid ones) they dont get the answers right sometimes..lol</p>

<p>last year, on my final exam, there was a kid cheating next 2 me, on MY paper..he was sitting on the right side of the room, and our desks were really close 2gether...i have that peripheral vision(i think its called that?) and i could see his head turned towards my direction and my paper after like the 2nd question on the test. so what i did was (i usually circle the answers in the test and then transfer them over), and this time, i circled the answer below it. like if the answer was C, then i circled D. if the answer was A, i circled B. and i knew wat the right answer was, cuz it was just above the answer i circled. i did that and he was still cheating off of my paper. when we got our finals grades for that class over the summer, i asked him what he got, and he got a 76, while i got a 92. that's SWEET!!!!</p>

<p>so i like it when some1 tries 2 cheat offa me..cuz they'll regret it!!...lol</p>

<p>also, in a diff class last year, someone told me they tried 2 cheat off of me, but couldn't cuz my A's look like Ds and Cs..like when i write the answer down. i write it so no1 around me can see my handwriting (and plus, i was like one of the top 3 smartest ppl in that class 2)..haha</p>

<p>wow luck, good for you, I guess. I wouldn't go through that much effort to deter someone though. it might detract from my performance.</p>

<p>Some of you make it out to be such a big deal. It really isnt. As my mom says, you got to play the game. HS overall is complete BS. What you do is what you do. Nothing is fair. College though, I cant say i'll cheat my way through it. :D</p>

<p>Are you seriously saying that it is OK to cheat? If you are, I'd say take a closer look at your morals; cheating is something reprehensible.</p>

<p>Snoopy, he is not saying it's OK to cheat. He's saying that in some situations, it's more justified and less morally reprehensible. As I said before, there are different levels of cheating. Hey, if jpod wants to cheat himself by getting himself into this sort of situation, he will only suffer in college. Who cares? If jpod thinks he can take care of himself, good for him.</p>

<p>Ok, I see your point. Claws are retracting now. </p>

<p>Referencing ^^^^, I can understand using Sparknotes or something to clarify reading (Dickens is pretty dry), but plagiarizing is not cool man, not cool. Sometimes asking a teacher for clarification isn't enough for my friends, but it is for me. </p>

<p>.-_-.</p>

<p>Meh, I think using Sparknotes as a reading "aid" is just as bad as using it for an essay. You are getting info from/about the text through other people's work. You use that info in a reading quiz, class discussion, future essay, etc....so it's plagiarizing.</p>

<p>If you don't get it, then you ask the teacher, or you suffer the consequences of your own lack of skills. That's how it works in every class! It's why I have a B in math haha</p>

<p>Oh well, I respectfully disagree. I'll ask my English teacher on Monday; maybe I'm wrong. I really think, though, that Sparknotes and the like are study guides, like a review. But I see your point.
.-_-.</p>

<p>Very common at my school, but then again nobody at my school has any morals. Sparknotes DEFINETLY isn't considered "CHEATING" if you use it as a reading guide, but copying down the summaries would be considerd cheating though.</p>

<p>Out of the 600 kids in grades 10 through 12 in my school, at least 580 of them cheat on tests. Especially on the SAT (those who do always get caught for some reason).
I chated a few times, I admit. But it was only when I was desperate. it was humiliating when all my hard efforts were fruitless...I failed on the tests cheated in. :(</p>

<p>How is your high school in Egypt different from the average US/Canadian high school that you read about on this forum, Stuck.</p>

<p>How do you know that number,1700? Is it just a guess or are you a budding statistician?</p>

<p>HSs here are not that different--as long as they are private. Public schools are a different story.</p>

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<p>I didn't really get that.</p>

<p>That's exactly my point. I don't believe using Sparknotes for reference is cheating. I believe it's cheating if plagiarism and the like is involved.
Like, after I read I like to check out Sparknotes to make sure my comprehension is good (not that it isn't, I just like to make sure). And I sometimes take their little quizzes to test myself on the material. It's just a study guide. So do you consider buying those little laminated study sheets "cheating" too? I think not. It's just review.
And no I don't "steal" the ideas on Sparknotes for my essays. Nor do I paraphrase, or anything of the sort.</p>

<p>I dont plagiarize. I'd never do that. But for my physics class last year, in order for me to pass I literally had to cheat. It's survival of the fittest. I did what I had to do. I understood the consequences of what I did.</p>

<p>stuck on, he meant how did you arrive at the number 580 for how many people cheat at your school. get it?</p>