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<p>I agree. X is not allowed because the test provider said it isn’t, not because it’s unfairly advantageous. This is how rules work.</p>
<p>I don’t think you should report. As much of a shame as it is that people cheated, they were probably pretty stupid and won’t affect the curve much anyways. And also, If it does get blown up everyone’s scores might get cancelled, not just the scores of those girls. They tend to take this kind of stuff very seriously. Kind of unrelated, but a phone went off in a testing room at my school and all of the scores were cancelled of everyone in the room.</p>
<p>“students are supposed to help each other out”</p>
<p>Not on the AP exam. There’s a reason College Board makes us sign our names promising not to cheat.</p>
<p>Hey , so I was talking to one of my classmates the other day and he was telling me how the person he sat next to for one of his exams let him copy off his paper. And so he did. He was bragging about it to me. What should I do? Let it slide? Report it? Since there will probably be no way to confirm if it really happened or not besides this word of mouth thing…</p>
<p>Dang what a snitch. What was the cheating? storing notes in the calc? haha</p>
<p>And I thought that CCers were smart people. And yet I find myself with a bunch of idiots who think that cheating is okay and not reporting is what markus10 should have done. This society sucks, I want to throw up <em>barf</em>. </p>
<p>Seriously, come on man, grow up!! Without a strong foundation your house will fall down. Geez. . . it’s called common sense.</p>
<p>If you’re going to cheat, why study? Then whats the point of going to school at all? To make bigger $$ in the future? Why not to go the street and become a slut? You’ll make money faster that way. lol</p>
<p>Wow… I am surprised at the number of people (and especially at CC) who condone cheating.</p>
<p>I understand that it would lead to many scores getting canceled, but just because you don’t want to jeopardize your scores you shouldn’t report cheating? </p>
<p>To those of you who call the OP a tattletale, seriously? Popularity is worth so much to you that you are willing to sacrifice your morals? I agree that AP students have better things to do than beat somebody up because they reported cheating. They may not like it, to be sure, but they wouldn’t be mad. They would understand, and if anything, get mad at the people who <em>actually</em> cheated.</p>
<p>In a war, you are supposed to pick your battles. But you don’t win a war by not fighting <em>any</em> battles. In some cases, it is probably okay to let things slide, only because it would not be worth the trouble, or is minor. Cheating on HW, okay, I can understand once or twice - although it is better to not do the homework at all. AP test? No. These are high-stakes test, and better to learn your lesson about cheating now than later. Those who say that karma will catch up to the cheaters, in the OP’s case, where the girls had cheated profusely before, maybe it was time for karma to hit them.</p>
<p>The OP should consider the consequences of his actions. However, suppose those girls get high scores and deprive other students of good universities. Would the OP feel guilty about not reporting them when he had the chance? Dealing with what-ifs is usually useless. Let’s just hope that CollegeBoard will only penalize the cheating students. </p>
<p>To those who would say, “Get off your high horse”, I am not riding. I am just simply walking. Half the people who cheat probably only do so because they know that nobody will tell on them.</p>
<p>I think the problem with reporting cheating without any solid proof is that there can potentially be a lot of negative consequences for the people who did not cheat (of which there are probably a LOT more than those who did cheat). Imagine having to retake your AP Exams during the summer because somebody felt that it was the right thing to do to report 2 or 3 cheaters. Imagine 500 to 600 AP students having to retake AP exams during the summer because of 2 cheaters and 1 kid that ratted them out.</p>
<p>Do I condone cheating? No. Do I think this person should have reported? No. The effects of reporting this could get really ugly, really soon.</p>
<p>…Is this seriously a nine page debate? Lordy. I blame it on the OP for being naive enough to think s/he would recieve 100% positive feedback. </p>
<p>That said, cheating on an AP exam is unacceptable. It’s a black and white issue. I don’t know if I would have the guts to report it, but an unfair advantage is an unfair advantage.</p>
<p>Well, if this gets blown up as much as I think it will, we’ll be hearing about this in the news soon.</p>
<p>Wow. Wow. At our school, we have something of a student code of honor:</p>
<p>NO ONE RATS OTHERS OUT. WHAT THE ■■???</p>
<p>Wow. Ok, look, another part of “cheating” would also be talking about the test questions/answers. And I know, the INSTANT we finished our exams, people started talking about the questions. So I guess if you reported the girls on that, you should also report every other person in your school (and perhaps even yourself) as well as every other freaking person in the nation for “cheating”. </p>
<p>See that’s the problem with tattle telling on others for cheating. Have you, yourself, NEVER cheated? Get real, please. If you have ever once cheated, YOU NO LONGER HAVE A FREAKING RIGHT TO REPORT OTHERS. You do not, at all, deserve to report another for his/her cheating because you, too, are in every single way, a cheater. If you wanna be this absolute about it, we can’t draw lines between “mild cheating” and “serious cheating” - it’s all freaking cheating and we all need to understand that some people are just more willing than others to take the risk. FREAKING DON’T REPORT THEM.</p>
<p>And it’s that sense of entitlement that gets people furious when, say, they get a traffic ticket.</p>
<p>Yes, there are people who cheat and don’t get reported for it. That’s always going to be true. That doesn’t mean that it’s unjust that you happened to be reported today. No system of rules works if “but other people did this too and they didn’t get in trouble!” is accepted as a reasonable argument.</p>
<p>gobipie, if you’re saying that there are degrees of cheating (“minor” and “serious”), then why exactly would someone who has only potentially committed one or few “minor” acts of cheating not have the right to report someone who has committed “serious” cheating? for example, a kid who has copied someone’s relatively meaningless spanish homework reporting someone that cheated and got a huge advantage on an AP test.</p>
<p>you cant say that someone who has “ever” cheated has no right at all to report when you’re the one drawing lines and making judgments on what kinds of cheating are more acceptable than others.</p>
<p>i dont really have an opinion on the issue, i just thought playing devil’s advocate would help people to not misinterpret your point.</p>
<p>My teacher told us that at his old school many years ago, some students were caught cheating on an AP test. I guess the test administrator notified the ETS, and following the investigation, it was decided that…EVERY STUDENT AT THAT SCHOOL WOULD HAVE TO TAKE EVERY AP TEST AGAIN!!! I’m not sure what “degree” of cheating it was, but I assume they were caught exchanging answers and/or looking at a piece of paper with information. The ETS takes these matters very seriously (^lol^), and go ballistic when even one or two people are caught cheating. I personally have no opinion on this matter, but markkus10, you may have just f u c k e d yourself and the rest of your school.</p>
<p>What the hell is wrong with you… it doesn’t matter what they did. Now you’ll probably **** up everyone’s scores. If they want to cheat, let them cheat. It doesn’t affect you; it just means your proctor is ■■■■■■■■.</p>
<p>That was a really dumb move because that hurts you the same way it hurts them. Your score may be invalidated along with theirs.</p>
<p>Tell me how you would feel if you signed up to take 6-7 AP tests this year and you could get credit for all of them if you got 4s or 5s. You didn’t cheat your way through the exam and studied hard. But then some asshat tells on some cheaters and the collegeboard decides to invalidate everyone in that room’s scores. So now you lost not only the $500+ it cost just to take the exams, but THOUSANDS more $ in college courses and credits. You;d be pretty ****ed, no?</p>
<p>If that happened to me, I’d make sure everyone who took AP tests in your school knew it was you who got their scores cancelled</p>
<p>Let me guess, you were the type of kid who told on your friends when they called you a dumbass.</p>
<p>At my school, if you were discovered telling on someone, you’re going to get in some deep sh1t (and not with the administration.)</p>
<p>Good luck, hope they don’t find out it was you who snitched them out.</p>
<p>Getting caught cheating on AP tests pretty much ends someone’s chances at any decent college. When people are put in that kind of situations, they tend to go ape sh1t. If some kid told on me, I’d probably beat the sh1t outa them. Better hope your name doesn’t get out there or you’re fked just as bad as the cheaters.</p>
<p>all of this seems really backwards. at my school the OP would’nt have been the one beaten up, it would have been the cheating girls who provoked the situation…</p>
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I’m pretty sure, College Board would let you retake for free if that happened. It would still be a big pain though.</p>