<p>Yea, I dont really like online courses. I think Careys Organic Chem is the best based on what I read in other threads.</p>
<p>If I start studying Zumdahl in November or so, do you think it would be possible for me to make at least top 150 or so? I’m also doing USABO, so do you guys think it would be a good idea to try both at once, or to try one at a time?</p>
<p>Yeah, doing USABO and USNCO at the same time would result in chaos and you would prolly end up failing both.</p>
<p>^^ Do not do both unless you have a previous, decent AP Bio or vice-versa… </p>
<p>While searching for AMC problems in AoPS, I happened to stumble upon a chem class called chemWOOT… is it worth it? ($695 :o) The class seems to be organized by previous chem Olympiad winners.</p>
<p>How much orgo and p-chem is needed to make it to top 150?</p>
<p>Hello everyone! I’m a bit new here! I am interested in this Chem Olympiad; it looks fun! How do you enroll Chem Olympiad (local) into your school?</p>
<p>I went ahead and bought both the Atkins Principles and Careys Orgo …</p>
<p>Atkins doesn’t have much calc once you get past the first part (I don’t think you even need the calc based portions of early Atkins for USNCO). There’s a bit once you get to Thermo and a bit more here and there, but it’s generally really really basic calc.</p>
<p>So with 200-300 hours , I could finish the entire Atkins book even if most of the information is new to me ?</p>
<p>Is 54/60, 90%, and Above Average considered enough to make camp (in general?). Does anyone know when the 2013 USNCO Part 2 will be released online?</p>
<p>Could someone just give me a basic idea of what areas of chemistry are on the local exam? And then which ones are on the national exam as well? Also, when do these tests usually take place?</p>
<p>^^ Someone should answer doingitbigs first question. </p>
<p>Also, this is the timeline doingitbig, [U.S</a>. National Chemistry Olympiad Competition Process](<a href=“http://www.acs.org/content/acs/en/education/students/highschool/olympiad/process.html]U.S”>http://www.acs.org/content/acs/en/education/students/highschool/olympiad/process.html)</p>
<p>I prefer Silberberg.</p>
<p>[Chemistry:</a> The Molecular Nature of Matter and Change: Martin Silberberg: 9780073402659: Amazon.com: Books](<a href=“http://www.amazon.com/Chemistry-Molecular-Nature-Matter-Change/dp/0073402656]Chemistry:”>http://www.amazon.com/Chemistry-Molecular-Nature-Matter-Change/dp/0073402656)</p>
<p>Very readable and great reviews for each chapter.</p>
<p>Do you need to study Carey - Organic Chemistry for the local and national exam? Or do you need it only for camp?</p>
<p>Neither that book is way too in depth
You do study it AT the camp for the international olympiad</p>
<p>So basically Atkins is all you need then to make top 150?</p>
<p>Weavegirl, have you made it to camp before? If so, what did you study and for how long?</p>
<p>I haven’t but I am a finalist and my friend’s sister (now at Harvard) went to the camp</p>
<p>So has anyone started studyiing for the USNCO yet?
I know we still have like 4 months left, but is there a nice study timeline that anyone would like to share?</p>
<p>@Pheonix55555</p>
<p>4 months? Isn’t it in March, so more like 6 months?</p>
<p>Also, regarding books. I used zumdahl for AP Chem, but I’ve decided to sell it now and get atkins (one thats not made just for AP, but rather for chem in general). We’re talking about the book chemical principles, not physical chemistry, right? Both are by atkins.</p>
<p>There’s a new student at my school from Lithuania who knows several ICHO medalists and just missed qualifications for ICHO himself (was 4th out of top 3 chosen). From what he’s told me, everyone there uses mostly atkins, with a couple zumdahl. Pretty standard. For orgo though, they all use Organic Chemistry, by Clayden. It has to be the 1st edition, too, because the 2nd took out practice problems, rearranged chapters, and has one less author. This seems to be the hidden gem over there… not sure if anyone knows about it here? Its printed in England from Oxford press so that might explain it not being too popular in the US. I just picked it up myself for like $10, and its huge. Definitely overkill for local and national, but its certainly got it all. Then again, in Lithuania their local test is like 40% inorganic 60% organic, so when they get to ICHO it seems easy for them haha.</p>
<p>Thoughts?</p>
<p>PS if anyone wants a solid, 8th edition zumdahl book, let me know…</p>