<p>Does anyone know where you can find solutions to the even numbered exercises for Zhumdhal and Atkins?</p>
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<p>I can’t find them anywhere.</p>
<p>I’ve reevaluated everything, and I’m probably not doing USABO and USNCO this year. I’m going to give myself the remainder of this year and all of next year to finish up Campbell and Zumdahl/Atkins really comprehensively and then I’ll take the opens for both. Hopefully I’ll make to camp in at least one lol</p>
<p>Thanks for the info, Remembrance! </p>
<p>Yeah, I think I’ll stick to reading Atkins Chemical Principles for USNCO this year, which should be enough to make top 150.</p>
<p>I bought an atkins book on ebay but looks like i got scammed… opened a case with ebay and just ordered a second one from amazon. Eager to start! I just sold my old zumdahl that i went through last year. Does anyone have maybe a specific list of topics that is tested, or just should we do the entire book?</p>
<p>Just got my atkins in the mail today. Awesome</p>
<p>@ Remembrance Great. Is this your first time taking it?</p>
<p>Nope, this will be my second time. last year I didn’t make it to the national and I only had zumdahl</p>
<p>Would Zumdahl be enough to make it to semis? Also, is a year (I plan to start Zumdahl around December and take the 2015 Open) enough to prepare for the USNCO?</p>
<p>Quick question for last year’s regional lab (I am not sure if everyone gets the same labs, but…):</p>
<p>How exactly did you find the percent of sugar in soda? I didn’t do this lab (I did the gravimetric analysis lab), so I don’t know exactly what the directions were and materials given, but I am still interested in knowing how to do it.</p>
<p>Also just to throw some things out:
Two of my friends made the study camp (1 I personally know, the other just internet friends).
One said that she used Atkins Chemical Principles and Carey’s Organic to prepare for the national exam.
The other said she only read like 6 chapters of Atkins (she said it was ****) and read Kleins Chemistry for Orgo (She said it is really easy to understand for n3wbs). She also said the Zumdahl’s challenge problems are great practice problems for the type of thinking the national exam calls for.</p>
<p>You can easily find pdf files to Klein’s btw.</p>
<p>Both started self teaching orgo in about december. </p>
<p>So for the local exam, all you really need is AP Chem knowledge to make nationals. To establish some credence to my words, I was a sophomore in AP Chem and I did really bad at the course. I studied a bit for the local exam and made it out for 9th place at locals, thus qualifying me for the national exam. I didn’t have any organic knowledge or didn’t even hit electrochemistry for the exam. </p>
<p>When I took the national exam, it was basically organic chemistry everywhere. A lot of the MC were orgo and the FRQs were mainly orgo. The lab, however, was pretty basic. There was a calorimeter lab and some lab for determining the sequence of chemicals to add to yield a specific color. </p>
<p>As for the people not in Chemistry this year that want to do it. You can still do it. I am not in chem this year, but I will still be taking the exam. Just make sure you get orgo down.</p>
<p>Can you post links for Klein’s or where to find the pdf files? ^</p>
<p>@ohmyblast ; Also, for your friends that made the camp, do you know how long they’ve been studying for USNCO, and could you tell more about their background and stuff? ^^</p>
<p>how do I figure out if my school has registered for the local test or not?</p>
<p>@phoenix55555, It is TECHNICALLY a violation of CC policy to put on pirated materials on any part of the site.</p>
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<p>A long time, basically. I believe they both made top 150 the year before study camp.</p>
<p>Honestly if you want to make it to the camp you should probably just stop piddling around and just get the books and work through them. It would make sense for you to ask questions in the thread about how to do particularly difficult problems, but honestly worrying about which book to get is NOT going to help you do well at all. I did extremely well on the local exam because I actually studied thoroughly for it, and from a no-name textbook at that. </p>
<p>If you want to make it to the camp, start doing actual work. The book that you own matters less than you think. It would be more constructive to ask one content related question about problems that you do not understand than any number of questions about buying books.</p>
<p>@ohmyblast I did not know that there were regional labs. If there is a link to that problem online, I will take a look at it. </p>
<p>@Masterball Ask your chemistry teacher or whoever manages the test? If you don’t know then perhaps the AP Chem teacher would know.</p>
<p>@Phoenix55555 Yea I can’t really post the link to where I got it, but if it is not against CC policy, you can PM your email and I could send you the file.</p>
<p>One of them started studying Orgo in January. She said she should have started earlier though. Background of her: She was in the Chemistry club at her school, and they basically just did experiments. She also took an organic chemistry class, but she said it was really elementary (no pun intended) and they mainly just did fun little orgo chem labs. She didn’t really study Gen. Chem since its just basic AP knowledge. She averaged a 58.5 on locals and a 57 on nationals
She said by camp you need to know a whole year of organic.
She said you want to aim for a 55 MC 80% FRQ to try for the camp.</p>
<p>As for the other person I honestly don’t know too much about her. She did recommend me to do ALL of the practice problems in organic chemistry books since thats the only way to learn organic lol. I am pretty sure it was her second time at camp though :</p>
<p>@huehuehue32 Yeah, good point. We should just start studying lol. As for the lab, there is no link 
It is amazing how different regional exams are.</p>
<p>so which should we study first if we want to make camp?–aktins or carey?</p>
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