<p>My son received a letter today saying he has been given the basic $2000 scholarship. He needs to accept by May 1st to guarantee it. There was no invitation to compete for the higher levels. Too bad. We are OOS. I know it is not guaranteed that OOS receive any extra scholarship but does anyone know if it is probable?</p>
<p>Yesterday D received the Invitation for Cincinnatus 2010 (competition on Feb 5 or 12) as well as Honors program. She was earlier admitted into DAAP for Architecture (OOS as well).</p>
<p>My S has several friends at school who applied to UC - all good students, probably top 10% at his public school - we are instate - and ALL of them received only the $2000. Makes me wonder how many students are actually offered more than 2K.</p>
<p>This is all very interesting. Several years ago, when my daughter was admitted, the Cincinnatus gave at least $5,000 to almost every competent out of state kid. However, relatiavely few kids ( maybe 500 in all) got more than that. Now, I think they give an automatic $2,000 due to the economy, but they give a more targeted scholarships to the really needy and really top notch kids. I do know that if your kids go to certain other schools at UC, such as business or arts and science, there is usually a higher award in order to encourage applications to those places. DAAP , on the other hand, has more than enough applications from out-of-state folks. Thus, it is simply supply and demand.</p>
<p>Responding to abasket:</p>
<p>Let’s see if they plan to offer 710 (600 + 100 +10) scholarships of 3500 or higher, they probably need to offer the scholarship to say 1000-1200 students (depending on their yield). If this assumption is correct, they expect about 500-600 students on each Cincinnatus day.</p>
<p>Since we don’t know their yield, this invitation number could be much higher or lower; but I think the 1000-1200 range would be a reasonably good estimate.</p>
<p>OOS D2 was also given the base $2000 Cincinnatus with no invite to the competition. She was accepted into the Architecture program in DAAP. I surmise that Taxguy is probably correct in his assessment of supply and demand. D2’s SAT’s were not the highest (1310 & 2020), although her UW GPA of 3.97 (4.33 W GPA) and class ranking of top 4% of a class of ~500 are pretty good. She’s not real happy (not to mention her parents!) with UC at this moment, since it’s her 2nd choice, but since she was also accepted into the Penn State Architecture program (in-state), she has an outstanding, well-ranked and financially-desirable alternate. (Still waiting to hear from #1 choice - VA Tech, although that is probably a reach for her with with a Regular Decision application)</p>
<p>Incidentally, she’s been offered more than $13K per year from another architecture program in Ohio - Kent State. (D2 did not like either Miami or OSU when she visited - Kent State was her arch program safety)</p>
<p>QuietType: VirginiaTech doesn’t sound like a reach for her, but then again, their architecture program may be very selective (I have no idea, I’m just going by VTech’s overall stats)</p>
<p>Anyway, I got that $2000 scholarship too… Did everyone get it? 
I’m really just upset that I wasn’t invited to the honors program, which would be really important to me if I ended up going to UC. I’m not surprised; they probably use strict cut-off for that, and my unweighted GPA wasn’t so hot…</p>
<p>Response to tellall #5</p>
<p>I think they OFFER 10 Cincinnatus, 100 Founders and 600 University. The number awarded is much lower. From the link below you can link to all of the recipients from 2009. </p>
<p>[University</a> of Cincinnati Scholars](<a href=“http://www.uc.edu/scholars/]University”>http://www.uc.edu/scholars/)</p>
<p>As taxguy related with his D’s experience, it seemed that nearly all OOS in DAAP received a $5,000 Cincinnatus scholarship when my son, an architecture major, started at UC. My son made it sound like the award process has changed. Although it’s not inexpensive to attend UC as an OOS, my S says that during co-op quarters he’s earning money while paying just a co-op fee, not a quarter’s worth of tuition. He feels he chose well because of the amazing learning experience received through co-op and after he and other classmates spoke with students attending other architecture programs and saw their portfolios. Also, his architect employer the summer after his freshman yr. said that my S knew more after just 1 yr. of architecture studies than a rising senior architecture student he employed that summer from another architecture program.</p>
<p>My S did the Cincinnatus competition today. It was worth it for the $3500 just for “showing up.” And he said the activities & essay were “interesting.”</p>
<p>D did the Cincinnatus last week. The setup and arrangements were pretty good in general (though we’d have appreciated if they showed us the way back, instead of pointing us the general direction from DAAP to the Calhoun garage in the snow).</p>
<p>With the answers D received from DAAP in general and Architecture in particular, she seems to have lost interest in Cincinnati for now. Like I have mentioned in my previous posts, she enters college with about 40-50 (semester-based) credits (AP & dual enrollment), and we did not get satisfactory answers about how that would impact the schedule at DAAP. They almost sounded like they never had such a “situation” before and one of the student panelist sounded like “I know someone who knows someone who came in with 2 AP classes…”. And the admissions folks were like “we can workout something, but we doubt if all those credits will translate into UC credits”. An obvious deal-breaker for D.</p>
<p>At this time, the only thing that might make D still consider UC would be the full-ride Cincinnatus scholarship, for which the odds are pretty long :-(</p>
<p>I still love the coop program they have, but D’s thought process seems different!</p>
<p>They do publish a list of what grades on APs will get you credit. </p>
<p>But part of the problem may be the DAAP course program is so “fixed”–like the conservatory, there are so many required classes in your field, there is no room for a lot of electives. So one AP history will be useful, two is just overkill. </p>
<p>My S will have 11 APs and I know they won’t all count towards an engineering degree! The Calc, CS, physics, chem, and probably Stats will, but not all the History. That’s life. When he started HS he didn’t know what he would want to major in, and I’m sure he was happier in AP history than he would have been in regular hist. with kids who just wanted to get out of high school.</p>
<p>And his many math/science APs would be of less use if he decided to be a liberal arts major. Another son was a CS major and of his TWO Latin APs, of course only one counted. But he really liked Latin.</p>
<p>I do know what you mean by the puzzlement of the student panelist, however. At one open house, the student speaker assumed everyone would be taking (or re-taking) Calculus as a freshman. Um, no. </p>
<p>They should be more selective in who represents the university, esp. at high-end events such as the Cincinnatus, IMO.</p>
<p>My son completed 6 AP tests, and got credit for all of them (he is a DAAP student)…from what he has told me most of his friends have also completed quite a number of AP’s…</p>
<p>Karkri, my daughter attended a magnet program and had a number of duel enrollment and AP credits, although not as many as your son. Let me answer your question regarding credits. I am going to answer your question from my daughter’s viewpoint, who is majoring in Digital Design and started four years ago. Things might have changed since that time; thus, you need to double check my statements.</p>
<p>There were four categories of courses that kids in DAAP had to take,which is one reason that you didn’t get a clear answer. In fact, you really have to read over their web site and read about their requirements for graduation really carefully to understand this. It wasn’t very clear at the time when I read their web site graduation requirements.</p>
<p>First, there were the DAAP major requirements,which represent the vast majority of courses that a student must take. Generally the percentage of these courses in the curriculum represent a much greater percentage than that of most major requirements found at other schools. DAAP is akin to a conservatory, and they thus require a LOT of courses in the major.
You generally won’t be able to place out of most of these with the possible exception of art history or maybe drawing. I wouldn’t recommend placing out of drawing even with a 5 on the applicable AP.</p>
<p>The second category of requirements are and were gen eds. These included a year of English, one literature, and one math. They used to also require a year of history and social science, but this may have changed since my daughter enrolled four years ago. Most of the AP and duel enrollment can eliminate much of these gen eds especially the year of English and history and/or social science.</p>
<p>The third category is that you needed six directed electives,which could have been other DAAP courses, language, programing and some other areas of study. Some of the APs and duel enrollment might meet this requirement. If this isn’t complicated enough, each major in DAAP had a different list of subjects that qualify as directed electives ( with some overlap)! Maybe this changed since my daughter was a freshmen.</p>
<p>The final category were elective courses,which can be any subject. These are usually quite limited.</p>
<p>Another reason that you didn’t get a definitive answer is that your son will have to meet with an advisor and find out what requirements he can place out of. There is no question that he will get most of the credits for the duel enrollment and AP courses ( assuming sufficient grades on the AP exam);however, some of these might meet the above requirements and some might just become electives. It is hard for anyone to say. </p>
<p>Moreover, you really need to double check that the courses are categorized in the way that they should be. It is easy for them to categorize them as electives when they might meet a gen ed or directed elective. </p>
<p>I should also note that UC ( and even most schools) rarely find kids with as many as 40-50 credits or more,which is a third reason why the speaker couldn’t answer your question. Even in my daughter’s high school class, which was a top 50 ranked school by US News, over 95% of the kids graduated with about 8 or less AP/ duel enrollment courses. I personally never met any kid with over 25 credits of AP/duel enrollment. I guess it does happen,but it is rare at any school. In fact, her school valedictorian only had 7 courses that qualified as AP/ duel enrollment.</p>
<p>I probably over complicated this discussion,but I hope I was able to help you.</p>
<p>By the way, don’t blame the student representative at the Cincinnatus for not knowing this. It was a very complicated situation, and these kids are not that well trained in answering in-depth curriculum questions. Moreover, they probably might not have the maturity to simply say, “I don’t know the answer.”</p>
<p>Finally, don’t let the Cincinnatus student speaker deter you from going to UC. It is a FABULOUS school for the right programs, especially those that participate in mandatory coops. My daughter has done four coops. She has gotten extraordinary experience that was probably unmatched by any other school. She constantly got rave reviews about her knowledge and skills as a student that her employer hasn’t seen in others for her age. I understand that this comment has been stated by other employers regarding kids from other DAAP majors. In fact , she designed our whole web site from scratch and got tremendous positive feedback by web firms and design professionals…even though she was a junior when she completed the site. She has had two full time job offers that she turned down because she wants to finish school.</p>
<p>I will warn you that DAAP is VERY demanding. No matter how smart your kid might be, how great their grades, how hard they work, UC, and DAAP in particular, will be demanding.</p>
<p>Moreover, at least in my daughter’s major, the work doesn’t significantly lesson in the upper class years. At most other art and design schools, most kids complain about the significant requirements of their freshmen foundation courses. In DAAP, the workload doesn’t seem to let up for most majors even in upper class years.</p>
<p>karki, I echo everything that taxguy wrote. My son, a current architecture student, earned UC credits for the AP tests he took. The skills that he has acquired from his UC courses and co-ops are invaluable. His co-op employers have asked him for advice. He’s now in the process of launching a new initiative and credits what he’s learned at UC for making it possible. DAAP is extremely demanding, but totally worth it! I recommend that your daughter contact DAAP to discuss if UC would accept her 40-50 credits and any other concerns she has.</p>
<p>taxguy & Mom of 2 -I really appreciate both of your responses. In the past ~1 year I’ve been visiting CC, I have come across several of your responses (either to my posts or others’) and they have always provided good insights into the UC programs, DAAP in particular. THANK YOU!</p>
<p>Now on to the topic on hand -</p>
<p>1) D was somehow put off with the responses she got from the visit. I guess they did not do a very good job of presenting themselves. As opposed to another state college we visited this weekend, which D applied only as a super-super-safety and she previously swore she wouldn’t enroll there unless she gets rejected everywhere else. After the visit, she was so impressed by what they had to offer, that she says she’s now “open” to that college.
2) D thrives on demanding course load. Of course unless she enrolls in college (e.g. DAAP) where the coursework is very demanding, she wouldn’t actually know what it means. My point is that demanding course load does not deter her, as of now.
3) I thought one reason why the B.Arch programs are disappearing and M.Arch is becoming the de facto minimum qualification for Architecture, is because they wanted prospective Architects to receive a greater liberal arts grounding in undergrad and then do professional grad school (a la medical or law schools). By what we found there and from taxguy’s post, I get a feeling that students at DAAP focus quite a bit on their specific area and not much liberal arts curriculum. May be that is the reason many AP credits gained from high school do not transfer here, as much as for a liberal arts based college curriculum. Just may be!</p>
<p>Son got the letter today–offered a $6000/year Cincinnatus scholarship! We’re pleased. :)</p>
<p>Karkri, my daughter had all of her AP/previous college credits transfer. Thus, I don’t know why your daughter wouldn’t have most of her credits transfer.</p>
<p>That said, most of the major requirements are NOT given as AP courses,which means that these AP credits won’t help much other than for eliminating a few gen eds.</p>
<p>hi- we are out of state, my d got into engineering. SHe got the 2K cincinnatus letter, but i didn’t know about cincinnatus day. </p>
<p>is cincinnatus day something you have to be invited to?</p>
<p>thanks</p>