Circumventing ROTC

<p>I don't hope to avoid the service commitment; rather, I'm wondering if anyone has ever heard of a case where the military will agree to circumvent a school's policy against ROTC.</p>

<p>For example, say I'd like to go to Pomona but they won't accept military scholarship money. Can I cut a side deal and sign a contract where the army just gives me the money and I then pay Pomona while I participate in Claremont McKenna's program, all while acting like i'm just paying full tuition?</p>

<p>I know it seems a little out there, but I don't see why the military wouldn't do it.</p>

<p>The military is all about “policy”. No way the Army does this. You would have a better chance turning off gravity.</p>

<p>Wha-huh?!</p>

<p>Pomona won’t accept money from the military? WHY?</p>

<p>I’d ask an ROTC detachment commander on specifics.</p>

<p>The following is hearsay;
Harvard does not have ROTC “officially”. MIT offers courses to Harvard students.
I know of one young man from our prep school who attended Harvard on a ROTC scholarship. </p>

<p>Talk to the ROTC people. They will tell you what you can do. Get it in writing!!!</p>

<p>Thanks for the replies.</p>

<p>If they don’t accept the money at all, it’s out of some muddled ethical dilemma over homosexuals. I think it might be blatant hypocrisy becuase I’m pretty sure they accept Boy Scout money, and they’re even worse. No homosexuals and no atheists at all.</p>

<p>I think you’re right about the Army, no way they’d go for it.</p>

<p>Thanks again.</p>

<p>Well, the answer is automatically “no” if you don’t ask.</p>

<p>I’m thinking “no”. If you really want to do AROTC, you might just need to consider different schools that offer it.</p>

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<p>No. The military will not do this for many reasons, first among them is that you are proposing they committ fraud. Nor do I believe that Harvard cut some sort of deal to circumvent their own policy of not accepting ROTC scholarships. ROTC is not to groom tomorrow’s white collar criminals, it is to groom officers who are, among other things, honest and trustworthy. </p>

<p>People do all sorts of strange things to pay for college, many of which they want to keep private so they claim the impossible. </p>

<p>If you want to go ROTC, you must attend a school that participates. That you are already trying to figure out how to game the system instead of living up to the standards is troubling. Attending ones second choice college is hardly a sacrafice in light of what will be asked of you in the future. </p>

<p>You should think long and hard if this is something you truly want to do. It is an honor to wear the uniform, be worthy of it.</p>

<p>Woah, nobody said anything about illegal actions. I suggested that there may be some way to work out the financial issue through either ROTC or the school. My gut feeling is nsennott is probably out of luck, but it never hurts to ask both sides to work something out.</p>

<p>raimius, I was specifically referring to the OPs proposal of “cutting a side deal” so that Pomona would not know where the money was coming from. I’m sorry I did not make that more clear. </p>

<p>My own spouse went through college via ROTC over 20 years ago (it seems like yesterday!) and is still serving. The standards are high in this line of work and the punishment is swift when they are not met or circumvented for personal gain. My caution was against going to an official with either side about this “side deal” idea. </p>

<p>You are absolutely correct that it never hurts to ask if something transparent can be worked out. I should have clarified that.</p>

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<p>What are these “standards” and what’s wrong with looking for non-traditional ways to get what I want?</p>

<p>This thread is pretty much moot because I called Pomona today and they said they do accept ROTC money, contrary to earlier information I received. I plan on calling the CMK ROTC program and verifying that information.</p>

<p>If anyone wants to know what they tell me, PM me.</p>

<p>If you do not see the ethical issue in “cutting a deal” with organization A so that organization B will not know where the money is coming from, then I cannot help you. Luckily, your ROTC training will teach it to you.</p>

<p>if you go to Pomona you take rotc at Claremont-McKenna. they will accept the army scholarhsip.</p>

<p>As a former NROTC student, I can tell you for sure “not in a million years.”</p>

<p>Here’s the straight skinny about Pomona’s ROTC policy. </p>

<p>They don’t accept ROTC money from the Army directly so your parents have to pay, but save the receipts. The Army will recompense you for every penny you put in. </p>

<p>Pomona (and Pitzer) don’t give credit for military science classes. You’re better off going to CMC, where they will pay for your room and board. </p>

<p>If anyone is considering doing ROTC from Pomona, please feel free to contact me. <a href=“mailto:CJohnson11@cmc.edu”>CJohnson11@cmc.edu</a>. I’d be happy to contact you with the right people.</p>

<p>–Charles Johnson, CMC '11</p>

<p>Hello, </p>

<p>My name is Charles Johnson and I’m editor of the Claremont Independent. We are writing an article about the policy of Pomona and Pitzer College of not accepting credit from military science courses and of not accepting money from the Army at Pomona or Pitzer College.</p>

<p>I’d like to hear from you if </p>

<p>1) You are a ROTC graduate or student at another college that was admitted to Pomona but chose against it because of its anti-ROTC policies,</p>

<p>2) You are the family member of such a student.</p>

<p>3) You are a prospective college student that wants to attend Pomona, but won’t because of its ROTC policies. </p>

<p>4) If you can provide any other information.</p>

<p>Please feel free to contact me at <a href=“mailto:CJohnson11@cmc.edu”>CJohnson11@cmc.edu</a>.</p>

<p>Thank you in advance,</p>

<p>Our deadline is February 1.</p>