Colgate, NYU-Steinhardt, USC (?)

<p>White, female, and medium income (I am not applying for financial aid)
I go to the most elite private high school on the west coast. It is known to be VERY rigorous.</p>

<p>GPA: 3.39...by mid year it will be higher, possibly 3.45?
SAT's: CR: 700 Math: 650 Writing: 670 Composite: 2020
AP's: AP Environmental Science (11), AP Statistics (12), AP English Language (12), AP Art History (12), AP U.S. Government (12)
Extracurriculars: Managing Editor of my school newspaper, member of the school literary magazine, member of LA Youth (non-profit newspaper written by teens in LA), environmental club, member of school peer support, member of a school acapella group that sings for those less fortunate in the LA area, choir, and I play 4 instruments (guitar, banjo, ukulele, piano).
Awards: I won a national science competition in 9th grade and won a $10,000 bond.
I am not sending any SATII's because they are not required and I did not score well on them.
I am sending in a CD of me singing a couple of songs I wrote. Although, I am not intending to apply to any type of music schools within the universities.</p>

<p>I got rejected from Emory EDI. So, I am considering applying to NYU-Steinhardt or Colgate EDII. I also really like USC (and I have a sibling there right now) but they don't have EDII. </p>

<p>So, I was wondering what my chances were for NYU-Steinhardt and Colgate (either RD or EDII) and USC (RD).</p>

<p>Hi! </p>

<p>I’m currently a junior at Colgate and I thought I’d try and help you out a bit. So, since you’re from California regardless of what school you go to on the East Coast, it will be somewhat of a culture shock. My girlfriend is actually from Norcal and she remarks how different the West Coast is from the East. Also, there’s the whole issue of snow that you have to worry about. But you get used to it, just make sure to get a nice coat. </p>

<p>So, about Colgate specifically:
Colgate, as I’m sure you are aware, is beautiful. A lot of people say that, but it really is gorgeous. Every season is just full of beauty and it’s a delight to walk around on campus. Since Colgate is a relatively small school, you get to know lots of people fairly quickly, and even if you don’t know them by name, you know of them, or someone you know knows them. Colgate is very rigorous, but I’m sure that what you’re looking for. Colgate also provides a lot of diversity. I’m a double major in Molecular Biology and Classical Studies and I’m on the Rowing team. There are definitely a lot of facets through which you can express yourself.</p>

<p>From what I can tell, you look like you would get into Colgate. You’re the kind of kid that Colgate loves; super well rounded and basically good at everything. You seem like you would thrive at Colgate where you could pursue your interests (from what I remember, the Colgate paper, the Maroon News, is the oldest college paper in the US!). </p>

<p>So, basically, if you’re up to a little snow and a campus that is one big hill (you get used to it), come to Colgate. You seem like you would fit right in with your varied interests and I’m just taking it for granted that you’re smart! If you have any specific questions, you can let me know, I’ll check back on this. Good luck, and enjoy Southern California!</p>

<p>Thanks for your post. I’m sometimes hesitant with Colgate because it’s so isolated…so it was nice to hear such positive things about Colgate. I saw Colgate last april and it was, as you say, very beautiful. Would you say that Colgate is a better choice than NYU?</p>

<p>Well, it definitely depends on what you want out of a school. Obviously, Colgate is a little more rural than NYU, but what Colgate lacks in big city charm, it makes up for in community. I’ve been to multiple professors houses for dinner and I know my way around town like the back of my hand. And if you really feel like you want to break free, you can always go for a drive in the country or head over to the malls in Syracuse or New Hartford. It’s really not as bad as it seems; you meet some incredible people the first couple days your there, so you spend lots of time hanging out and getting to know one another.</p>

<p>Can you address the culture shock? What does that look like for a Freshman from Northern California? I assume most adapt?? Are kids super friendly at Colgate, or does the Greek scene make people cliquey? Just curious. Colgate is one of my daughter’s top choices, and she is from the San Francisco Bay area (captain of her Crew team). Most of the schools to which she is applying do not have a Greek Scene. Colgate seems like the perfect sized school. One more thing: Are there opportunities to Snow Board??? How far away? If so, where, and how easy is it to make that happen in the winter?</p>

<p>to the person attending Colgate now… what was your GPA?</p>

<p>I was thinking that 3.45 is a bit low?</p>

<p>Why wouldn’t you apply? You have to risk something to succeed, and although Emory wasn’t successful (You wouldn’t have wanted to spend four years in hot, humid, crowded Atlanta, would you?!), admission to college is very idiosyncratic. You never know which school will like you. </p>

<p>Every admissions committee is just a group of people with their own interests and attitudes. This isn’t some kind of mathematical process in which the students with the top GPA’s and highest SAT scores automatically get into this school and students with other scores go to other schools. There is a lot of overlap with B students going to Ivies because their parents went there or they can throw a football or they were born in Thailand or something. And lots of A students end up at state universities because they prefer them, they want to stay close to home, or for money reasons. This isn’t as logical and mathematical as most applicants believe it to be.</p>

<p>Your statistics put you in the middle of Colgate’s applicant pool or a little lower than that (to be honest), but they admit a wide variety of students, so even if it is a bit of a stretch, perhaps your journalism and your being from L.A. and everything else will intrigue them about you. Your music may be appealing, and they put a lot of stock in your application essay and recommendation letters, too. Keep your grades up, of course, as 3.5 or above will impress more than 3.4 and below. Work hard!!! </p>

<p>My own daughter – now a Colgate sophomore – had an A- average in high school, was involved in a few activities but not many, played some sports, had traveled a lot, and was a great writer. So she was in the upper part of her high school class, but not in the top 10% by any means. She applied to a couple of Ivies which were a stretch (but you never know!), a few “small Ivies” (including Colgate, Middlebury, Wesleyan, Colby, Williams) plus a few others like Vassar. She got admitted or wait-listed at most of these, but fell in love with Colgate after they admitted her. You might, too. She’s there now, and she loves it. Small, friendly, top quality education, lots of publications, music, drama, sports – LOTS of sports. She plays club rugby. No serious injuries yet. Some blood loss, but she’s proud of that. She’s only 5’0" tall, so go figure. Grrrr . . . Colgate Rugby Girls!! </p>

<p>As for comparing USC, NYU, and Colgate, you really couldn’t be comparing more different schools. </p>

<p>USC: Since it’s in Los Angeles, you could go home every weekend. Do you want to go to college “down the street” in the same city you went to high school in? By the end of Senior year you may not see that as much of an adventure. Going to college is one of the great adventures of life. USC has improved much over the years but still has some of its ‘party school’ or ‘football school’ reputation, I’m afraid. It’s a major graduate school with an undergraduate college attached to it. A lot of the prestige you hear about USC is really about its graduate programs. Will professors pay much attention to you as an undergrad? Will you be noticed? How many huge lecture classes will you have to sit in? It is a very large university, and you may find yourself just an anonymous person there. You will live in marginal housing off campus, perhaps renting a room in a house in a fairly bad neighborhood, dealing with traffic, and all the usual L.A. issues. You can get a good education there, it is a good university and is improving, but you do need to weigh these very real factors in your decision, too. </p>

<p>NYU: New York City is wonderful, but NYU is also not really so much a “college” as it is a series of buildings in the middle of a busy city, and very different from a college campus with green fields, trees, and all the beauty you might imagine. I have a nephew who went to NYU, and he liked it, but for him it was more like attending New York City than attending college. He lived “off campus” (there’s really no campus) in an apartment building, went to classes in various other buildings, graduated in three years and hardly remembers the place. He finished in three years because he’d “done it” and wanted out to get on with his life. That was certainly not my experience of college, and a bit sad really since he could have gone elsewhere but was intrigued by NYC, as many people are. </p>

<p>I’d take advantage of the chance to go away and see something new and different that will change your life. There are a lot of great colleges that might really want you and which would really change your life. Here’s my list of schools among the Top 50 colleges in the nation, all schools you certainly could get admitted to and all first-rate (in no particular order):</p>

<p>Scripps – near L.A., but a great undergraduate college which you might get into. My wife went there, and she loved it.</p>

<p>Colby – up in Maine and a little like Colgate, a very good college with top academics and not as hard to get into as Bowdoin, but a little better than Bates, another good Maine school. </p>

<p>Trinity – in Hartford, CT. I have two nephews there, and both like it very much. It’s famous for taking Yale and Harvard rejects, but consider what that means – good students who weren’t quite A/A- level. </p>

<p>Skidmore – a terrific, somewhat less well known college in upstate New York. I know students there who love it.</p>

<p>Bucknell – Pennsylvania. Very good college, not quite up to Colgate standards but still among the top 50 colleges in the nation, friendly, good programs.</p>

<p>Kenyon – Ohio (yes, Ohio, but it’s pretty much like New England) and that means fewer applicants to this great small college, so a little easier to get into. I’ve known many students who’ve gone to Kenyon and every one has loved it.</p>

<p>All are small liberal arts colleges. Among larger universities (you did apply to Emory which is fairly large), there is Boston College and Tufts (but very popular and hard to get into), Carnegie-Mellon in Pittsburgh, a great university and a great city (too large a school for my taste, though), maybe BU in Boston (but with the same negatives as NYU – large, no real campus, etc.), GWU in Washington, DC (a very good school), and Washington is a great city . . . maybe some others. </p>

<p>Among all these schools, however, Colgate is the best. Colgate is top-ranked academically, offers a huge number of off-campus programs, a top Division 1 sports program (the smaller schools I’ve mentioned play only other small colleges more like high school athletics), great drama, art, and other programs, and the nation’s oldest weekly college newspaper, the Maroon-News. It’s friendly, has a gorgeous campus, and the cold snowy weather is either a beautiful time of year or you hate it – but that’s up to you. I like snow. No ski areas very close by, unfortunately, since the terrain isn’t mountainous. But you’ll be too busy with clubs, friends, and studying, anyway. </p>

<p>Colgate has as good an academic program as any other top university. And most classes will not be the huge lecture classes you get at large state schools or some of the Ivies. Colgate is a teaching university which means individual attention in smaller classes. Students I know at Yale, Harvard, etc. go to many lecture classes, and that is a very different and more anonymous experience than at smaller colleges where people get to know you, and professors know your name. Hamilton is a very small rural town in the middle of nowhere, but that’s pretty standard for small top quality liberal arts colleges, and it helps students focus on college, make friends, and have something to complain about! </p>

<p>I’d definitely apply to some of these schools. You’ll get into some of them, pick the one you like best, and you will have a great experience. Choose a handful of them and apply. Include Colgate since you’ll never if you don’t try. Best of luck.</p>

<p>I have been looking at Reed, GWU, BU, Michigan, etc.
But I have really found myself deciding between Colgate, NYU, and USC.
I don’t even know if I can get into these schools…So, I’ve been thinking that I do decide NYU or if I do decide Colgate, I would EDII because it would up my chances.</p>

<p>I know my GPA is low but I hope it jumps after this first semester since I am taking all AP’s this year. I go to #13 best high school in the country and #1 on the west coast, really! Do you think my SAT scores are okay for these schools?</p>

<p>@GDMACK, seeing as how my girlfriend is from Northern California (Sacramento to be exact) she adjusted quite well to the east coast. I would point out that one of the biggest gripes that she has is the snow, but you get used to it. She’s noted that east coast attitudes are a little different than the west coast (east coast being a little more frantic and stressed) but overall i think it’s pretty even. I’ve met a ton of great kids at Colgate from all walks of life. Obviously, you’re going to run into some bad apples everywhere you go, but for the most part, everyone is really friendly. If your daughter is interested in continuing crew at Colgate, she should definitely get in touch with the women’s coach. The Colgate Athletics site is [Holiday</a> Photo Store](<a href=“http://www.gocolgateraiders.com%5DHoliday”>http://www.gocolgateraiders.com). The crew teams are always looking for people and the teams are very nice and accommodating. </p>

<p>@numberfortyone, I think my GPA in highschool was around a 3.8? I’m not really sure, it definitely feels like it’s been forever since those days. I was never super worried about where I would get into school. I just knew once I visited Colgate, I fell in love with it. It was absolutely beautiful and it seemed unreal. </p>

<p>@losangelez, I think your SAT scores are pretty good. They were actually better than mine (I was disappointed in my SATs but my ACTs were the bomb). But like ColgateDAD said, the admissions process can’t be reduced to a formula, it’s very intricate and anyone could be picked really. They look for a good class, not just individuals… if that makes sense. If you love Colgate, you should go for it. Another great thing about Colgate is the study abroad experience. They really encourage everyone to participate in either a semester abroad or an extended study (3 weeks abroad). I’m currently going to Greece at the end of next semester and I’ve applied for a semester abroad at the National Institute of Health. Colgate’s study abroad is really just one of the great things that they offer. They really have a personal touch that all the other schools that I looked at did not have.</p>

<p>There is a recreational ski/snowboard club that takes trips to Toggenburg(?), which is maybe an hour away I think? I never went though.</p>

<p>I’m from Seattle and while there is a bit of culture shock, it wasn’t that bad. I did get made fun of for saying “pop” rather than “soda”…</p>

<p>The Greek scene doesn’t really dominate, especially freshman year, since you aren’t allowed to rush until you’re a sophomore. It always seemed like people retained their freshman year friends even if some rushed and some didn’t, and some ended up in different organizations. Also, it’s only 30% of the total population (40% of those eligible) who are members anyway.</p>

<p>As for Colgate vs USC vs NYU:</p>

<p>My final decision where to go came down to USC and Colgate. I’m from Seattle and USC has much better name recognition here, but I still chose Colgate, mostly because I felt like I’d get a better hands-on experience (e.g. actually meet all of my professors/have them know my name, small, discussion-based classes, etc.), because it felt more intellectual, because I loved the campus, and because I’d be able to continue to ride horses, for the club team. USC felt very large and bureaucratic - I deferred for a year and Colgate just said “ok, no problem!” and USC insisted that I’d have to reapply, but basically told me “but you’ll probably get in again.”</p>

<p>I also now live and work in NYC and I’m SO glad that I didn’t get into Columbia or apply to NYU because it is not the place I would want to spend college. When else in your life will you get to live on a idyllic campus with 2800 other kids your age and with professors there to teach, not just do research? It’s like camp! Ok, maybe with more homework, but you know what I mean. The city is always there - many, many Colgate grads end up there after graduating - and you will have plenty of time to explore all it has to offer in your 20’s (also once you’re above 21…), but you’ll never get to go back to anything like undergrad at Colgate.</p>

<p>Thanks for the info. My daughter wouldn’t even consider applying to USC for the reasons you mentioned. She also feels she is a West Coast Girl and wants to experience something different and grow from it. Colgate seems like it could be a very good fit. I would put it in her top three or four choices.</p>