Colgate or Hamilton?

Colleges and Universities A-Z Colgate University
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<p>i know at least a dozen fairly well.</p>

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<p>individual students? probably not. i may have given an overstated impression. i apologize.</p>

<p>administration? absolutely. they often look to see what colgate is doing before deciding themselves. don't get me wrong, this exists in all of edcuation. colgate looks to dartmouth and middlebury, middlebury to williams, even princeton to harvard.</p>

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<p>I wouldn't say Colgate is at all "looking to Middlebury", maybe to Dartmouth.</p>

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<p>been to middlebury lately? it's a coincidence that they built a new library and science building and colgate is building both of them too, about 3-4 years after them?</p>

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<p>I have actually never been to Middlebury, but can't imagine that Colgate is building a new library and science building because of them. Especially the science building, which is a specific gift from an alumnus (Robert Ho, I think is his name). He's certainly not concerned about the timing of buildings going up on the Middlebury campus.</p>

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<p>Truth, call me when Colgate goes to Midd's Commons Residential system.</p>

<p>Oh wait....they've got that at Dartmouth too.</p>

<p>Hmmm, maybe they're all looking at eachother.</p>

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<p>Plans were underway years ago for the renovation of the Colgate library, at the same time Middlebury was planning its new library while building its new science building. While Middlebury tore down its old science building to replace it with the new library, Colgate ran into problems with its present library building expansion which delayed its efforts. As state-of-the-art and impressive as the new Middlebury library is, the Colgate library promises to rival Middlebury's, especially its ITT services. There is little difference between the schools in what they offer students. Middlebury's student body is smaller and it does have a nationally praised foreign language program; however, there is the old joke about diversity at Middlebury, that it's based on which prep school a student came from. Regardless, both are exceptional schools, each different but similar. As many are accepted to both schools, it becomes a matter of personal choice and comfort which one to attend. Both are often compared to Dartmouth, BTW.</p>

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<p>Last time I checked, Colgate had that joke about diversity to.
I know it's club midd, but it's also the jeep driving, collar poppin, rich white kids from Colgate. Just stating what i've heard.</p>

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<p>Colgate and Midd both have that problem, although I do get the notion that Midd has more of a problem. Midd only had 81 black applicants out of ~ 6000 (1.35%) and only 52% of students from public school, while Colgate had 350 black applicants out of ~ 8000 (4.38%) and 66% of students from public school.</p>

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<p>Yeah when I was at Colgate, the Stuy kids were visiting.
Everyone knows that Stuy's a pseudo public school hehe.</p>

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<p>ho's gift came after the fact, and covers about half the cost.</p>

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<p>there are always plans on a college campus. there's probably 3 or 4 capital projects right now being planned. it's a matter of what gets priority. middlebury throwing up two new buildings certainly makes the trustees think about what should be done.</p>

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<p>funny, i never felt rich.</p>

<p>does colgate have rich kids? yes, but define rich. there are plenty of students that identify themselves as middle class (whether they are or not is another question). the image thing is just that for many - playing up to an image.</p>

<p>fwiw almost 70% of colgate came from public schools.</p>

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<p>Did you know that there is no "upper class" in the U.S.
It's called the Upper Middle Class, so yes, everyone's from the middle class. I love the play on words.</p>

<p>And Public school kids can be rich too.</p>

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<p>funny, i never felt rich.]]</p>

<p>You aren't You're living off your parents dime.</p>

<p>]almost 70% of colgate came from public schools]</p>

<p>So? Many prep school kids are attending on scholarships. And many public school students’ parents are truly wealthy. Most of the very wealthy Microsoft, Amazon etc., etc. employees/retirees children are in public schools. A majority of the students on LI from the very wealthy communities are in public h/s…….and on and on.</p>

<p>With 65% of the students at Colgate paying full ride, you can be rest assured the parents are in the top 5% of wage earners. Just the fact they don’t qualify for aid puts their income at 150k/yr minimum</p>

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<p>Quite a few African-American students are recruited by Colgate to fill spots on their Division 1 sports teams. Have a look at the number of black students on Colgate's football and basketball teams, then take a look at the predominantly white Middlebury Division 3 teams.</p>

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<p>Midd is a member of the NESCAC, and like the Ivies, et al, is forbidden from giving athletic scholarships, consequently; they can’t buy student athletes. An athlete is admitted on scholastic merit.</p>

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<p>I don't think this is a lot of the reason for the difference because Colgate just changed this policy towards scholarships in the last couple years and I think it's still very limited and only applies to a few sports (although football & hockey would be two of them).</p>

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<p>my point was that Colgate doesn't go above and beyond what schools like Middlebury do to attract black students, but rather that many of the black students at Colgate are recruited for sports. I'm sure that if Midd was able to award scholarships to black students (or even merit awards), then Midd's minority population would be equal to Colgate's (this is in response to post 48).</p>

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<p>Interesting tidbit relating to post 46. Did you know that Colgate's new librarian played a leading role in planning Middlebury's new library?</p>

<p><a href="http://www.colgate.edu/DesktopDefault1.aspx?tabid=730&pgID=6013&nwID=4611%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.colgate.edu/DesktopDefault1.aspx?tabid=730&pgID=6013&nwID=4611&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

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<p>looking at the roster i count 23 football players in all classes. less than 6 a year isn't the difference.</p>

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<p>again, less than 6 football players and less than 4 basketball players i bet. and we're talking about apps, not enrolled.</p>