Are you sure you want to be putting projected yields into your list? You’re the listmaster so I defer to you.
I was wondering the same thing, @Corinthian. I got confused as to how we can know yield already.
It’s certainly preliminary and subject to change but since some of the colleges are providing their projections, it seems a useful data point to have. Yield is almost always guesswork anyway and whether Swarthmore gets 405 students as projected or, say, 418 students, it doesn’t make that much difference in the percentage (e.g. for every additional 10 students that Swat yields it affects the yield % by only 1%).
Adding Middlebury, but we have a slight problem since I don’t know Middlebury’s ED2 applications from this release. Putting together the prior release with this one, I came up with these numbers:
MIT RD 781 out of 11,853 (6.6%)
MIT EA 657 out of 8394 (7.8%) (def=69.7%, rej=22.4%)
Pomona ED/RD ~742 out of 9046 (8.2%)
Swarthmore ED/RD 960 out of 9383 (10.2%)(Yield,405=42.1%)
Johns Hopkins RD 2542 out of 24,644 (10.3%)
Georgetown EA 931 out of 7822 (11.9%)(def=88.1%)
Boston University ED2 ~274 out of 2039 (~13.4%)
Harvard SCEA 938 out of 6473 (14.5%)
Georgetown RD ~3,219 out of 21,459 (15%)(Yield,1600=38.6%)
Princeton SCEA 770 out of 5003 (15.4%)
Washington University in St. Louis ED/RD ~4875 out of 30,464 (16%)
Middlebury RD 1350 out of ~8082 (16.7%)(Yield,705=40.2%)
Yale SCEA 871 out of 5086 (17.1%) (def=52.7%, rej=28.6%)
Georgia Tech RD (IS/OOS) 2917 out of 15,769 (18.5%)
Rice ED 329 out of 1604 (20.5%)
Brown ED 695 out of 3170 (21.9%)(def=60%, rej=18%)
Georgia Tech EA (OOS) ~2300 out of 11,515 (~21%)
Penn ED 1354 out of 6147 (22.0%)
UVA EA (OOS) 3339 out of 14,968 (22.3%)
Vanderbilt ED1/ED2 __ out of __ (23.6%)
Carnegie Mellon ED 330 out of 1375 (24.0%)
Notre Dame REA 1470 out of 6020 (24.4%) (893 def=14.8%)
Duke ED 861 out of 3516 (24.5%)(def,671=19.1%)
Boston University RD 14,013 out of 56,634 (24.7%)(Yield,3400=22.4%)
Cornell ED ~1379 out of 5384 (25.6%)(def=20.9%, rej=53.5%)
Northwestern ED ~963 out of 3736 (~25.7%)
Dartmouth ED 555 out of 1999 (27.8%)
Georgia Tech EA (IS/OOS) 4380 out of 15,715 (27.9%)
Boston University ED1/ED2 ~1190 out of 4181 (~28.5%)
UVA EA (IS/OOS) 5914 out of 20,446 (28.9%)(def,5458=26.7%; rej,9074=44.4%)
Tulane EA 6480 out of 22,256 (29.1%)
Tufts ED1/ED2 ~675 out of 2310 (~29.2%)
Johns Hopkins ED 591 out of 1934 (30.6%)
Emory ED 474 out of 1493 (31.7%)
Boston College RD ~6300 out of 28,500 (32.3%)
Boston College EA ~2900 out of 9000 (~33%)(def,3500=38.9%, rej,2500=27.8%)
Williams ED 257 out of 728 (35.3%)
Middlebury ED2 60 out of ~155 (38.7%)
University of Florida RD 13,214 out of ~34,000 (~38.9%)
Boston University ED1 916 out of 2142 (42.8%)
Middlebury ED1/ED2 403 out ~828 (48.7%)
UVA EA (IS) 2575 out of 5278 (48.8%)
Fordham EA 9812 out of 19,859 (49.4%)
Georgia Tech EA (IS) ~2080 out of 4200 (~49%)
Middlebury ED1 343 out of 673 (51.0%) (def,60=8.9%, rej,270=40.1%)
William & Mary ED 528 out of 1023 (51.6%)
University of Georgia EA 8059 out of 15,614 (51.6%)
Fordham ED 156 out of 293 (53.2%)
Trinity College ED 315 out of 443 (71.1%)
It’s interesting to compare the admissions numbers from last year for Middlebury. Even though Middlebury had more total applications this year, the RD acceptance rate was higher. And it looks like Middlebury drew half as many ED2 applications than the prior year and lot fewer than expected.
Class of 2020 stats:
Middlebury RD 1042 out of 7866 (14.2%)
Middlebury ED2 60 out of 318 (18.9%)
Middlebury College ED1 338 out of 636 (53.1%)
Middlebury’s class of 2021 will be larger than the class of 2020, perhaps because the college recently completed three new dorms. That means they have to accept more students. The anticipated class size for 2021 is 705, while the class of 2020 was 685 (inc. Regs and Febs). When you consider yield, it’s not surprising that they had to admit around 90 more students to reach a larger class size.
It’s still puzzling. The class size is going up by 3%, but Middlebury’s admit rate is 22% higher than last year, while apps are slightly up. Even with the 20 more students anticipated, Middlebury admitted 330 more students than last year, as well as more ED admits (last year was 398 total) whereas you’d expect maybe 90-100 more total based on trends. Middlebury’s yield was 42.5% last year, but they’re banking on a 40% yield this year. Doesn’t seem like a huge difference, but generally colleges slightly under-admit to prevent overenrollment.
Edit: Are you sure the class size was 685? CDS is reporting 606.
^ We will probably never know why they admitted the number they did but here are my two cents’ worth opinions:
- Generally urban schools seem to be gaining in popularity for recent college entry classes, often at the expense of rural schools;
- Might there be a backlash against Midd for the recent campus violence? Unlikely, but maybe they are playing it safe as other schools that had major campus protests such as Missouri have seen reduced enrolment; and
- The new dorms will fit some more students.
I’m not sure how CDS counts the spring semester admits but if I were to guess, I don’t think 606 includes them. For 2021, Middlebury is trying to yield a class of 705 with 605 starting in the fall and 100 starting in the spring, and they have stated that 705 figure consisently, so for our purposes they clearly seem to count the spring admits as part of the total class size.
Purely speculating, but perhaps the ED2 application shortfall surprised them and they were left having to make up for it in the RD round. I note that in their December press release, they specifically stated that they expected another 300 ED2 applications to come in. They ended up with only 155.
I doubt the Murray protest controversy had any effect whatsoever on Middlebury admissions. That happened after all the decisions were nearly final and it would be nearly impossible to adjust at the last second to the possible ramifications.
Richmond? Just got my acceptance letter.
Okay, Middlebury is so bizarre…
http://www.middlebury.edu/admissions/start/profile says 1668 admits, and an acceptance rate of 18.9%
http://www.middlebury.edu/system/files/media/ACTIVE%20%20CDS_2016-2017_0.pdf says 1423 admits, and an acceptance rate of 16.1%
So it seems that the CDS doesn’t include the Feb admits, which is all up and proper since the data asks for students admitted/enrolled in Fall 2016. If the admit rate was in total 18.9, then it is not so surprising that the total rate jumped to 19.7% with the new dorms. But the CDS does include all applicants, fall and spring, because I’m guessing the students don’t get a choice to where they are admitted.
There’s no dishonesty, but for someone used to admissions at all the other LACs, Middlebury’s reported acceptance rate is misleading. Even this is reporting a 16.1% admit rate (see applying tab), and it’s a commonly used database for college data: https://bigfuture.collegeboard.org/college-university-search/middlebury-college But in actuality, the admit rate is 18.9% for the opportunity to attend Middlebury. That 16.1% is for the opportunity to enroll in Fall 2016, but CollegeBoard doesn’t clarify that point.
Almost certainly Midd has had to admit way more in RD this yr vs last yr due to the recent leftist goon squad violence on the campus, which hospitalized a female prof. They are clearly anticipating a very low yield for RD admittees.
Carleton College’s statement about its Class of 2021 admissions can be found here:
https://apps.carleton.edu/admissions/office_blog/?story_id=1547038
Lacking many specifics, they state they plan to provide specific numbers in late summer, after enrollment is solidified.
Carleton states they offered acceptances to 20% of the 6,500+ applicants (roughly 1,300 admission offers), aiming for a freshman class size of 520 students. If the college hits its mark, that would result in a 40% yield.
Williams admitted 1253/8593 = 14.5% https://communications.williams.edu/news-releases/3_23_2017_admittedstudents/
“So it seems that the CDS doesn’t include the Feb admits, which is all up and proper since the data asks for students admitted/enrolled in Fall 2016”
This is how all/most school does report the info. Sometimes called ‘gaming the rankings’ since in their published acceptance rates they don’t include the spring admits, but in reality the spring admits were admitted.
If I can editorialize a bit, some of the gender identification categories given by Williams deserve an eye-roll if not a LOL. After understanding what LGBTQQP stands for, now Williams wants to introduce us to LGBTQQPnBnCAFnR. I always thought of myself as very open-minded, but even to me including every single student’s self-identification in a press release about admissions puts Williams in a ridiculous light.
Adding Carleton and Williams:
MIT RD 781 out of 11,853 (6.6%)
MIT EA 657 out of 8394 (7.8%) (def=69.7%, rej=22.4%)
Pomona ED/RD ~742 out of 9046 (8.2%)
Swarthmore ED/RD 960 out of 9383 (10.2%)(Yield,405=42.1%)
Johns Hopkins RD 2542 out of 24,644 (10.3%)
Georgetown EA 931 out of 7822 (11.9%)(def=88.1%)
Williams College RD 996 out of 7865 (12.7%)
Boston University ED2 ~274 out of 2039 (~13.4%)
Harvard SCEA 938 out of 6473 (14.5%)
Georgetown RD ~3,219 out of 21,459 (15%)(Yield,1600=38.6%)
Princeton SCEA 770 out of 5003 (15.4%)
Washington University in St. Louis ED/RD ~4875 out of 30,464 (16%)
Middlebury RD 1350 out of ~8082 (16.7%)(Yield,705=40.2%)
Yale SCEA 871 out of 5086 (17.1%) (def=52.7%, rej=28.6%)
Georgia Tech RD (IS/OOS) 2917 out of 15,769 (18.5%)
Carleton College ED1/ED2/RD ~1300 out of 6500 (~20%)(Yield,520=~40%)(ED1/ED2=~208)
Rice ED 329 out of 1604 (20.5%)
Brown ED 695 out of 3170 (21.9%)(def=60%, rej=18%)
Georgia Tech EA (OOS) ~2300 out of 11,515 (~21%)
Penn ED 1354 out of 6147 (22.0%)
UVA EA (OOS) 3339 out of 14,968 (22.3%)
Vanderbilt ED1/ED2 __ out of __ (23.6%)
Carnegie Mellon ED 330 out of 1375 (24.0%)
Notre Dame REA 1470 out of 6020 (24.4%) (893 def=14.8%)
Duke ED 861 out of 3516 (24.5%)(def,671=19.1%)
Boston University RD 14,013 out of 56,634 (24.7%)(Yield,3400=22.4%)
Cornell ED ~1379 out of 5384 (25.6%)(def=20.9%, rej=53.5%)
Northwestern ED ~963 out of 3736 (~25.7%)
Dartmouth ED 555 out of 1999 (27.8%)
Georgia Tech EA (IS/OOS) 4380 out of 15,715 (27.9%)
Boston University ED1/ED2 ~1190 out of 4181 (~28.5%)
UVA EA (IS/OOS) 5914 out of 20,446 (28.9%)(def,5458=26.7%; rej,9074=44.4%)
Tulane EA 6480 out of 22,256 (29.1%)
Tufts ED1/ED2 ~675 out of 2310 (~29.2%)
Johns Hopkins ED 591 out of 1934 (30.6%)
Emory ED 474 out of 1493 (31.7%)
Boston College RD ~6300 out of 28,500 (32.3%)
Boston College EA ~2900 out of 9000 (~33%)(def,3500=38.9%, rej,2500=27.8%)
Williams ED 257 out of 728 (35.3%)
Middlebury ED2 60 out of ~155 (38.7%)
University of Florida RD 13,214 out of ~34,000 (~38.9%)
Boston University ED1 916 out of 2142 (42.8%)
Middlebury ED1/ED2 403 out ~828 (48.7%)
UVA EA (IS) 2575 out of 5278 (48.8%)
Fordham EA 9812 out of 19,859 (49.4%)
Georgia Tech EA (IS) ~2080 out of 4200 (~49%)
Middlebury ED1 343 out of 673 (51.0%) (def,60=8.9%, rej,270=40.1%)
William & Mary ED 528 out of 1023 (51.6%)
University of Georgia EA 8059 out of 15,614 (51.6%)
Fordham ED 156 out of 293 (53.2%)
Trinity College ED 315 out of 443 (71.1%)
Re: Williams’ pathetic kowtowing to every gender category invented in the last five minutes, this shows why LACs are no longer taken very seriously.