@emorynavy Not trying to have a discussion specifically about Emory but given your response…
Emory enthusiasts do suggest the school’s peers are top 20s (or do you suggest otherwise). School’s like those I mentioned or Wash U with a 37% yield or Northwestern at 53%. Emory not only has the lowest yield at 28% of this group, but the reality that it is facing adverse selection to “these peers” is supported by parchment. While parchment is limited the results of comparing Emory vs all top 20, in which 85-90% of all students selected at both chose the alternative are remarkable in their consistency.
I mean let’s be honest you can’t on one hand say we are a peer of a school and then ignore your yield being less than half of it, right? Those are undeniably definitive statements being made by real students.
Yes Emory students stats are great. But that is the classic “safe” school among the elite dilemma. In light of having ED1 and ED2 28% is strikingly low and indicates the vast majority of those with a choice say no to Emory’s offer of admission.
So in response to “Emory admits a 31-35 ACT range for its freshman class, yet Enrolled a 31-34, despite its yeild of 28%. Schools with the same admitted range and higher yeild somehow enrolled a lower ACT range than Emory did”.
The kids with great stats apply to their safes and reaches. Typically they receive a fairly predictable acceptance at their safe school based solely on numbers. Those that are truly exceptional however get other acceptances based on the entirety of their applications. These schools aren’t worried about distinguishing between a 3.96 and a 4.07 or a 33 vs 35. The aforementioned students who get alternative offers based on both yield and Parchment data choose the alternative. Those 28 out of 100 who do choose Emory still have great stats as you suggest but typically didn’t have alternatives based on a holistic review.
@wisteria100 its not a long shot for an unhooked kid to get into an Ivy. In fact its much easier for them to get into a Cornell or Dartmouth vs a Harvard or Princeton. Don’t lump Ivy with HYP, they are different animals.
I agree with this. Total anecdote: my sister went to Emory (she is much younger than me and graduated about 5 years ago, so recent). She loved it and was disappointed that my daughter didn’t want to apply. But my sister only went there because she was rejected by Stanford, Cornell, WashU and Penn.
@emorynavy , it wasn’t suggested that yield was a measure of caliber, but that it suggested students’ own ranking preferences. Not the same thing.
@SJ2727 You expressed my views much more efficiently and eloquently then I had thanks. I am not diminishing Emory at all just speaking to the “pecking” order students (and the general public) seem to hold to.
@Nocreativity1
Parchment? A site as credible as twitter? Whatever. A school with an acceptance rate of 15% is no safety. If Emory wanted to truly increase yield they would decrease the quality of student they accept, but we see what their goal truly is. If anyone wants to visit the Emory forum and see the students not accepted in this years cycle, by all means.
What your missing is nuance, which is not surprising as you are truly willing to die on this hill. You forget that Top 10 LAC’s have the same avg yield as Emory. So I guess students at Swarthmore and Hamilton didn’t have options either. What yield tells you is preference, not caliber. Preference, especially in 17-year-olds, can be easily manipulated by changes in societal culture. Culture suggests college is desirable when there is some form of “American Pie” euphemisms, and for top students add prestige and good academics. Most students will subscribe to this notion, and schools that don’t offer this will have lower yields.
@SJ2727
What was that supposed to tell me? I chose Emory over Vandy, Georgetown, and Georgia Tech. My best friend got into Northwestern but chose Emory. His roommate, a Scholar, got into Yale. If you get into Emory you will likely have other options. Maybe your sister was lucky to get into Emory, maybe she had a so-called “hook”.
Emorynavy you seem to have personalized this. I thought acceptance rates didn’t matter yet you state…" A school with an acceptance rate of 15% is no safety. "
For kid’s applying to the true super elites (sub 8% acceptance rates) Emory is frequently a safety and not selected when alternative higher reputation school offers exist. The yield and people’s real life experiences and observations confirm this.
Not “dying on hill” or offering further debate…just stating my opinion.
@Nocreativity1
We were talking about yield rates not acceptance rates, right?
And 8% is the new goal post, CC said it was 20% last year.
So Cornell and Notre Dame, and UCB are safeties too right? Okay, I’m over the back and forth.
@emorynavy that’s not true about all LACs and yield. Bowdoin in 2018 had a 54.7% yield rate. I bet some others have high rates as well. Pomona also 55%.
@emorynavy , did I say it was meant to tell you anything?.. it wasn’t directed at you. it was just an example that backed up the yield analysis. You really need to stop being so defensive about Emory. It’s a good school but different people choose different schools for different reasons. My sister had no hooks at all, just a near perfect IB score and a perfect SAT score. She would have been one of those people helping the stats you like quoting.
The part in the post that was directed at you was the point distinguishing preference vs caliber, which you seem to agree with.
And you are right that preferences are shaped by societal culture. At D19’s school, Emory has never really been much on the radar, for unknown reasons; neither have the smaller ivies, though. The more general “ivy backup” private schools are Georgetown (even though it has a lower admit rate from her school than most ivies…), WashU, and Vandy, but that is starting to change as more ivy-aiming kids are shifting their alternative preferences to schools traditionally thought of as “not top” - like USC and even NYU and UDub. Of course, we have a terrific state school system , so that affects preferences as well.
@emorynavy My personal experience, as one anecdote from a NYC parent, is that Emory is a safety for many private schools. These schools send 40-60% of their class to Ivies and Chicago, Duke, MIT and Stanford. The entire class has a good shot at them. Each year, 2 or 3 end up at Emory from a class of 100-120. That’s possibly 50 from NYC privates, may be another 50-100 from East Coast boarding schools, and another 50 from California privates.
I am sure for many, even a majority of Emory students, it is not a safety. But for a significant portion of the student body, it was their safety school. It depends which angle you are seeing it from.
@emorynavy It’s noon In Atlanta and you are a student. As a parent I would suggest you follow your own advice when you urged the Vanderbilt thread to “Relax it’s a college forum. Again most of this stuff doesn’t matter”,
Have a great day and congratulations on being at your dream school.
@SJ2727
I don’t need to stop doing anything, especially when there are false narratives. Emory hasn’t been on the radar to you. If you really feel those schools are safeties then I’m not obliged to argue with you. @homerdog
Emory’s yield rate matches some of the best LAC’s essentially what I was saying. @bronze2
If you say so, again all of you are giving anecdotal evidence/opinions. I’m the only one that isn’t.
I’m really getting bored by the Emory debate but feel compelled to point out I never once used the word “safety”. I said “back up” or “alternative” choice. The meaning is different.
I’m looking forward to the rash of results data due this afternoon. Anyone else? Should be interesting reading.
Yield is certainly some measure of relative desirability, but it’s heavily influenced by popular rankings, early application restrictions, as well as legacy considerations. Legacies are not only favored in admission, but they also significantly increase the school’s yield. This is often a factor that’s overlooked.