Some schools post both admitted and enrolled stats side by side - which is useful.
A number make you dig by posting admitted in the announcement, and then enrolled later when they put freshman profiles up. I think the data is mostly there but sometimes you have to look for it!
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USC gives you stats for applicants, admitted and enrolled all side by side - informative
http://admission.usc.edu/wp-content/uploads/Freshman-Profile-2019.pdf
That’s great that US News changed that. I guess they are paying attention?? Did they do the 2019 ranking yet?
I thought the same thing about US News but 20% of the ranking comes from peer perceptions and guidance counselors and I suspect that they do pay attention to acceptance rates and yield.
When the CDSs come out they will show the data for all the matriculated students…of course we typically have to wait 6-9 months for that data though!
Oh, that’s really interesting, @SJ2727 – also interesting to note that they publish composite SAT (and ACT) scores. Composite ACT percentile ranges are not uncommon, but composite SAT ranges are definitely rare.
^Composite ranges in class profiles are becoming more common, except that often they are for admitted students rather than enrolled.
I don’t know why anyone would want to make yield rate comparisons since the yield for any colleges that admit ED is entirely dependent on the percentage of the class they admit ED. A college that admits only 30% of their class ED might have a lower yield than a college than admits nearly 50% of their class ED, but I’m not sure any comparison in overall yield would be relevant. The same is true with admissions – if you fill a high % of your seats ED you can have a low regular admissions rate and look much selective than if you filled those seats via EA.
I have a lot of respect for universities that admit only via EA and don’t do ED. If you believe you have a great college and students will enroll if you let them know early, you do EA like Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Stanford, MIT, etc. I don’t see any other reason to do ED than to protect yield and possibly lower admissions rates in RD. If a school trusts their ability to attract top students if they let them know early – even without forcing them to commit early – then they are not concerned about yield, even if makes their yield lower. Isn’t that the problem University of Chicago was having when they were like HYPSM and only had EA?
@SJ2727 “USC gives you stats for applicants, admitted and enrolled all side by side - informative”
That is very helpful. Do most colleges do that?
@observer12 I don’t think so - sadly.
Harvard - 4.5% overall at 1,950 out of 43,330
https://www.thecrimson.com/article/2019/3/29/2023-admit-numbers/
Yale - 5.9% (2,178 out of 36,843 applicants)
https://news.yale.edu/2019/03/28/yale-college-admits-2178-students-third-year-expanded-class-size
Columbia - 5.1% of 42,569 applicants
Cornell - 10.6% overall (5,183 out of >49,000 )
http://news.cornell.edu/stories/2019/03/accepted-class-2023-students-most-diverse-ever
Princeton - 5.8% (1,895 out of 32,804)
https://www.princeton.edu/news/2019/03/28/princeton-pleased-offer-admission-1895-students-class-2023
I heard Wash U took 60% of their class ED this year.
I think one of the complaints about U Chicago is that they don’t release their rates by phase so it makes everyone suspicious…
suspicious of what? Since Stanford isn’t releasing there data now should we be suspicious of them? Admit rates don’t drive rankings so who cares? Bottom line is apply to the schools you want to attend and don’t worry about the ones you don’t.
As someone pointed out earlier, it’s helpful to know your chances when you decide to apply to a school. It might be helpful to know that 50+% of the class is accepted ED and the RD is <5%. And you can find this info for most schools. Why not release the data?
Acceptance rates aren’t only about rankings…I think people use them for more practical reasons, too. They can be misleading, which is why it is helpful to have the breakdown so you have the right perspective.
@CU123 “Admit rates don’t drive rankings so who cares?”
That probably is not the right question to ask in a post specifically about college admit rates!
If you are reading this, presumably you care!
Stanford’s admit rates are low but they don’t try to game the system by using ED to make them lower. So why would anyone be suspicious of them? (Edit: I realize Stanford doesn’t release their rates at all, so there would be no reason to game them).
@observer12 I guess I missed it, what is the gaming that is being done in ref to admit rates?
@CU123 There was a discussion about yield rates and then how comparing the yield rates of schools that do ED to those who don’t would not be very relevant. Then there was a discussion about admit rates and whether the admit rates are transparent so that applicants would know how much of the class is filled ED and what the admit rate is. I believing the only gaming that would be possible that was discussed is if a university was not transparent about their ED admit rate and how many students were admitted via ED but instead just had a single admit rate that include ED + Regular.
Most ED schools - well, all the ones we looked at anyway - publish their ED data in the CDS.
@observer12 Again I still don’t understand what the university is gaming? Is there some advantage to have a lower admit rate? or is it something else?
@collegemomjam Acceptance rates were not considered in the current US News rankings that came out in Sept though as @T20hopeful2023 points out they could affect peer and guidance counselor perceptions.