College Football Discussion 08

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<p>Yes Rachel, I am for real.</p>

<p>"Do you think if #2 was Florida or Georgia or LSU or USC, Texas Tech would have jumped them? No way."</p>

<p>Texas Tech jumped some of those programs you named in order to get to two. Also, in terms of programs, Penn State is a better overall programs than all of those that you named. USC is very close and is now closer to even, but that's it. You might want to take a look at the top 10 all time winningest programs. Penn State has more wins than all the programs you named off.</p>

<p>Also, You obviously do not know what you're talking about, as Penn State is ranked #2 in the coaches and harris poll. There were computers that had them at two as well. I am done wasting my time enlightening you about what is going on in college football. </p>

<p>MartinSMC,
I think you may have misworded your post. You may have meant Ohio State where you put Oregon state the second time. Oregon State beat USC earlier this season. I think it will be Penn State vs. the winner of the Big 12. I thought it would be Alabama, but Alabama's performance in their games against kentucky and ole miss shook my confidence in their ability to get up for every game. I think it could have been USC vs. Penn State, but the close game against Arizona seemed to shake everyone's confidence in them.</p>

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<p>I don't care what happened in Lubbock.</p>

<p>If UT makes it to the BCS championship game, when they're adequately rested and injury-free, they will annihilate anyone they play.</p>

<p>Tech didn't beat them. They beat themselves in a few key plays (pick-six, dropped INT, etc.)</p>

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Texas Tech jumped some of those programs you named in order to get to two.

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<p>Maybe I worded my point poorly. The point is, both Tech and Penn State are undefeated, but Tech is the one ranked higher. Alabama, once #2, moved UP one. Penn State #3, idle and undefeated, didn't move up. If an SEC team or USC had been #3 and idle, they would not have been jumped by Tech because of the strength of their reputation. If voters believed that Penn State was better than Tech, they would have moved up an idle Penn State to #2, just like they bumped Alabama up one. Tech leap-frogged them... why? </p>

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Also, in terms of programs, Penn State is a better overall programs than all of those that you named. USC is very close and is now closer to even, but that's it. You might want to take a look at the top 10 all time winningest programs. Penn State has more wins than all the programs you named off.

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<p>I am not sure how Penn State's wins historically make any impact on their season right now. </p>

<p>Look at Alabama-- their signature win is against Georgia. All other teams they have played are awful-- Tennesse, Ole Miss, Tulane and Western Kentucky. Yet it's STILL ranked above Penn State, because it's an SEC team and in most people's minds, SEC > Big 10. Look at Texas Tech-- their signature win is against Texas, yet the rest of their season to date has been a close call against Nebraska, a scare by Texas A&M and wins over a puddle of plain bad teams. Yet it's STILL ranked above Penn State, because it's a Big 12 team and in most people's minds, Big 12 > Big 10.</p>

<p>Who put those teams above Penn State? People who don't believe Penn State, even undefeated, is good enough. And that's because they're in the Big 10 and play a Big 10 schedule. Fair or not, the reputation of the conference you play in factors into how you are perceived. </p>

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Also, You obviously do not know what you're talking about, as Penn State is ranked #2 in the coaches and harris poll. There were computers that had them at two as well.

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<p>And yet they're still ranked #3 in the AP Poll and in the BCS Rankings, behind Texas Tech.</p>

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<p>jec7483, I did misword my post, thank you for the correction. As for Texas vs. Texas Tech, let's not come out and be bitter with the "we beat ourselves" talk, it was a great college football game with two great teams who played till the end. I'm sure if Tech lost they would be saying the same thing. Don't we all remember how ignorant and selfish Matt Leinart looked when he said "I still think we're the better team" after they lost to Texas? Give credit where credit is due. For all the Big 10 talk, yes, they are looked down upon when compared to the SEC and Big 12, so I see them at about the Pac 10's level, tied for third best conference in the nation. I don't think Alabama is going to be in Miami when its all said and done simply because their signature win is Georgia-and as of right now, that's not saying much. Florida just seems like the team to beat in that conference. Also, I have nothing against Penn State-I have nothing but respect for Joe Pa and his program, however I wouldn't want to see them in the championship game, I don't like their conference nor strength of schedule. That's just me being biased. I do believe they will make it there though, but winning there is another story. If all goes well, I'll be more than happy to see a Penn State vs. USC Rose Bowl and a Florida vs. Oklahoma/Tech/Texas national championship. But good luck to all teams and fans of those teams, we need something to root for other than A's on organic chemistry exams.</p>

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But speaking purely about who would win - who here honestly believes that if USC and Oregon State played again tomorrow, that Oregon State would win again?

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<p>Who believes that even matters?? No, it doesn't!! Fact is Oregon State BEAT USC. Maybe next year, but in 2008 Oregon State beat USC.</p>

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<p>USC's a darn good football team, but their chances of going to the National Championship are pretty slim. They only play one ranked team for the rest of the year (go Bears!) and have a loss to a team that has no national recognition (although Oregon State continually gets 3rd in the Pac-10 chase). At the same time, Penn State will likely go undefeated (unless Mich State upsets them) and either Florida or Alabama should come out of the SEC with at most one loss. Even the winner of the Big 12 has a better shot at the NC game than does USC.</p>

<p>Sorry for making the conference sh***y this year, USC =(</p>

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<p>USC may very well beat anybody. But they lost to oregon state and have to pay for that loss somehow. The fact that the Pac-10 have the worst teams doens't help. I still don't know how Wash St/Wash gott to be so horrible.</p>

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<p>Last year, Missouri was thwarted from going to NC championship thanks to Oklahoma, a team that was already out of the race. If Missouri, whose out of the race, wins Big 12 championship game this year, then they'll prolly thwart the Big 12 southern division schoosl' dream and leave some space for USC. Of course USC also has to hope that "Pittburgh upsetting West Virginia" type thing to happen to Penn State.</p>

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<p>Yeah, USC is asking for alot. At this point in the discussion I'm just hoping for a USC v. Penn State Rose Bowl, just so we can see what the Big 10's all about.</p>

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<p>It's likely that Penn State will go undefeated in the Big Ten. Now do you guys think Penn State will be chosen (not if they "should" be) over a 1-loss Big12 or SEC team?</p>

<p>I think Oklahoma will beat beat Texas Tech and Florida will beat Alabama in the SEC championship game.</p>

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<p>I think the only thing stopping Penn State from booking their tickets to Miami are a Javon Ringer field day and an undefeated Texas Tech, sadly.</p>

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<p>^That'd be cool since that would mean as of today, my Northwestern wildcat has a chance for the Rose Bowl (not likely but still possible for the remaining games against Ohio State, Michicagn, and Illinois). The thought of Northwestern meeting USC in the Rose Bowl sounds funny. ;)</p>

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<p>^ Bears in the Rose Bowl would be better...</p>

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<p>The primary thing to watch is that voters will likely be hesitant to place a team that did not win their conference championship in the national title game (last time that happened, it was a mess)</p>

<p>If Florida makes it to the SEC championship game, I don't see how they don't beat Alabama. The Gators are on a hot streak and Alabama's schedule is nowhere near as impressive as it once was (after LSU and Georgia and Clemson all collapsed)</p>

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<p>UCBChemEGrad,</p>

<p>When was the last time Bears went to the Rose Bowl? ;)</p>

<p>Which one is more unlikely: USC loses to Cal or Ohio State loses to Northwestern?</p>

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<p>jbusc,</p>

<p>I see what you are seeing too. I also think Oklahoma can beat Texas Tech. By the way, if that happens, who's going to go to Big12 championship game from the South? Do you know how it works?</p>

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<p>1959...why?</p>

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<p>^oh nuthin...:rolleyes:</p>

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<p>In case of 3-way tie (i.e. Oklahoma beat Texas Tech who beat Texas who beat Oklahoma...) there's a series of a couple tiebreakers they go through:</p>

<p>Tiebreaker</a> Procedures - Big 12 Conference - Official Athletic Site</p>

<p>As far as I can tell, the only criteria left that could possibly resolve it would be #4:</p>

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The highest ranked team in the first Bowl Championship Series Poll following the completion of Big 12 regular season conference play shall be the representative

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<p>If for some reason this does not resolve it, then it would be a random pick.</p>

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^oh nuthin

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Good, cause you're prob a Cubs fan who shouldn't be runnin your mouth.</p>