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I can make stupid statements too! Vanderbilt went 5-6 last year, that was the same record Tennessee had!
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<p>You sure * can * make stupid statements...this one makes no sense. What I stated proved that Minnesota had as good as a season as Michigan. Your's showed that Vandy had a good year (in their standards).</p>
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When did I ever say the Big 12's bottom half is better than the SEC's? Thats craziness. But both bottom halves are pathetic.
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<p>I'm sorry, but no, the Big 12's bottom half is much, much worse than any team in the SEC. Baylor, Colorado, Kansas... are you kidding me... name one team in the SEC that any of these teams would beat. Thanks.</p>
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The team with the best venues will get more home games, bar none. Bobby Bowden Field holds over 80,000.
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<p>That doesn't relate to my point.... the more home games a college football team has, the better chance they have to win more games. Florida State has a better venue because they schedule powder puff teams who have no real home field. If FSU scheduled UCLA, Michigan, Texas, etc... then they wouldn't have the "better venue". You see, however, FSU keeps it in their favor, because having home field advantage is huge in college football, much more important than in the NFL.</p>
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I'm sorry, but no, the Big 12's bottom half is much, much worse than any team in the SEC. Baylor, Colorado, Kansas... are you kidding me... name one team in the SEC that any of these teams would beat. Thanks.
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<p>They could beat Mississippi State, Arkansas, Vanderbilt, Kentucky, and Mississippi. Your welcome.</p>
<p>Kansas and Vandy would actually be a decent game, but KU would win by 2 touchdowns 7 out of 10 times. KU is much, much better than you think. They are just wildly inconsistent and would probably lose by 2 TD's in the other 3 games.</p>
<p>Baylor and Colorado (at least this year) definitely would get their asses handed to them. CU is just unbelievably bad, and it's going to take them a while to get back to where they were.</p>
<p>Don't get me wrong, I agree that the SEC is typically the best conference most years. But don't get all high and mighty when you have teams like Miss. St., Ole Miss (who just got wailed on by Missouri), Kentucky, and Vanderbilt. Arkansas isn't that great either, and S. Carolina got beat in their bowl last year by Missouri as well. </p>
<p>1)Texas
2)Oklahoma
3) (tie) Texas Tech
(tie) Nebraska
4) Missouri
5) Iowa State
6)Kansas
7)Texas A&M
8)Oklahoma State
9)Baylor
10)Kansas State
11)Colorado (no one expected CU to be this bad. Pre season I would have put them at 7th in the conference)</p>
<p>SEC
1)Auburn
2)Florida
3)LSU
4)UGA
5)Tennessee
6)Alabama
7)South Carolina
8)Arkansas
9)Kentucky
10)Ole Miss
11)Vandy
12) Miss. St.</p>
<p>The SEC has a huge drop off after the top 6. You're top 4 teams are just fantastic though, and would beat every team except Texas more times than not. I think that Tennesee and Alabama are pretty equal to Nebraska and Texas Tech though, and would be some really great games. SC would be able to hang with Mizzou b/c of Spurrier (he's one of my favorite coaches), but Mizzou, ISU and KU would be able to beat them on any given saturday (would be some really good games though).</p>
<p>I don't want to even speculate about the games between the SEC's bottom 4 and the Big 12's bottom 4...those would be some ugly games. I think that CU would be able to beat Miss State.</p>
<p>Of course the key thing in all of those is where the game is played. The only places in the big 12 that rival the SEC as far as atmosphere are Texas, Oklahoma, A&M and Nebraska, the rest suck. Even Vandy better atmosphere than the remaining 8 Big XII schools...</p>
<p>I made a really long post about how you are wrong tripperian, but then as I clicked "Submit Reply", I was logged out, and I clicked back, and it was all gone. So let me just say this since i'm not typing it all over again. Read the two. Ask how they are different. Ask "why am I saying what I am saying". Try and comprehend the statements, find the similarities between the two, and maybe you'll figure out why you can't use 'Minnesota and Michigan are both 7-5! That means Minnesota is a good team!'.</p>
<p>Dude get over Minnesota, it was a legit win by Cal, so just move on.</p>
<p>That's not the point. You used it in defense as to 'Cal is a good team'. Beating a mediocre team does not imply that you are a good team, especially when you are at home and are favored by double digits. Then you compared Minnesota to Michigan, noting the records. You can't do that, that's a fallacy. So I gave you a situation nearly identical, in Vanderbilt and Tennessee. Both had the same records, in both cases the underdog went into the opponent's stadium and won. So I can make a "stupid" statement such as Vanderbilt is good because they had the same record as Tennessee, and any team that beats Vanderbilt deserves recognition for the win. Last year though, Vanderbilt had Cutler, Minnesota had Maroney and Russell. Tennessee had a down year, Michigan had a down year. See how it works yet?</p>
<p>Rammer Jammer
Yellow Hammer
Give 'em Hell,
Alabama!</p>
<p>Do u have something against Cal? Or is it the whole West Coast in general, which many people do. They're in the top 25, so obviously they're good.</p>
<p>BigredMed, do you really think Nebraska is #3 in the Big XII? I guess we'll see after Saturday, just how good Nebraska looks.</p>
<p>My prediction, however: USC 49, Nebraska 10.</p>
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My prediction, however: USC 49, Nebraska 10.
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<p>HAHAHA, I think it might be a <em>little</em> closer than that!</p>
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That's not the point. You used it in defense as to 'Cal is a good team'. Beating a mediocre team does not imply that you are a good team, especially when you are at home and are favored by double digits.
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<p>Minnesota beat Kent State 44-0; I wouldn't say Minnesota is a "mediocre" team per se.</p>
<p>I don't have anything against the west coast teams, USC is among the nation's best, and I respect them. I just understand football. Beating up on Minnesota proves nothing. They are one of the mediocre Big Ten teams, clumped with Purdue, Michigan State, Northwestern, and some years you could put Wisconsin and Penn State in there, teams who will never win the Big Ten but could put together a 8-4 season. If Cal was beating Ohio State, Michigan, or Iowa, i'd be impressed. And that's on Cal's home turf. The PAC-10 has one team that compete with every other team in the country, that's USC. They can play with the top of the Big 10, Big 12, SEC, ACC. Cal can't, as evident by the Tennessee game and their abysmal record against top 25 opponents.
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<p>YOU obviously dont know collge football! Penn State won the Big Ten last year! Honestly GET OVER MINNESOTA, I know it was a legit win, I dont care one bit what u think or say about it. </p>
<p>The Pac had 3 teams last year that could have competed with other top schools in the nation, USC, Oregon, and UCLA, who all had 10 wins or more.</p>
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<p>HAHAHA, I think it might be a <em>little</em> closer than that!
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<p>Actually, that prediction sounds really good.</p>
<p>haha, my school's football team sucks, but I still love going to games.</p>
<p>Now hockey - that's where we excel. It's fun to watch AND we're good at it.</p>
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<p>We'll see. I don't want to write off Nebraska quite yet.</p>
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<p>Please get an education kid, one that is readily available at your FINE Indiana University.</p>
<p>"My prediction, however: USC 49, Nebraska 10."</p>
<p>Go to La Tech? haha</p>
<p>Itll be closer than that...although USC will probably win it. Cal is legit, but don't say Minnesota was a quality win</p>
<p>"Penn State won the Big Ten this year". </p>
<p>Oh really? So they have the same team this year? No, they are without their stars in the secondary, without Hali, and Michael Robinson. But forget that, what have they done the 4 years before that? They've won 21 games. That's averaging a below .500 record. That's not a power team. They aren't going to compete with the elites of other conferences year in and year out, as much as people want to believe in "happy valley". They've lost 7 straight to Michigan. So much for competing with the best teams in the country.</p>
<p>"I know it was a legit win, I dont care one bit what u think or say about it. "</p>
<p>You're right. Ignore all the analysis and the facts. Just try and think positive thoughts about beating a mediocre team on your home turf. I bet Michigan is all jazzed up about beating Vanderbilt... right?</p>
<p>"The Pac had 3 teams last year that could have competed with other top schools in the nation, USC, Oregon, and UCLA, who all had 10 wins or more."</p>
<p>Get real.</p>
<p>Oregon lost to a Oklahoma team that was in shambles after a terrible season. They could only beat Fresno State at home by 3 points. UCLA had a struggle with Northwestern. The year before, they lost to WYOMING in a bowl game. Those aren't elite teams. Comparing them to a Texas, USC, or even a LSU is more than ridiculous, who are actually power teams in other conferences.</p>
<p>Please get an education kid, one that is readily available at your FINE Indiana University.</p>
<p>Thank you, someone who actually understands that this is a fine institution that I am attending, that isn't an employer. Anyways I already know how to think logically. I know how to make statements that aren't ridiculous. I'm not the one thinking that beating Kent State is validation for a team being above mediocre. You want the list of the teams that are better than mediocre than? Here's the teams who beat a 1-10 Kent State last year...</p>
<p>Akron
BUFFALO
Bowling Green
Western Michigan
Eastern Michigan
Northern Illinois
Navy
Miami OH
Ohio
Michigan State</p>
<p>Their one win came against a division 1-AA opponent, SE Missouri State. You're right, Minnesota beating them definitely tells me that they are a team to watch out for.</p>
<p>So how about that ND-Mich game...so nervous.</p>
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<p>Oh really? So they have the same team this year? No, they are without their stars in the secondary, without Hali, and Michael Robinson. But forget that, what have they done the 4 years before that? They've won 21 games. That's averaging a below .500 record. That's not a power team. They aren't going to compete with the elites of other conferences year in and year out, as much as people want to believe in "happy valley". They've lost 7 straight to Michigan. So much for competing with the best teams in the country.
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<p>I dont give a rat's arse what kind of year Penn State has * this * year, they won the Big Ten last year, and u said: "Wisconsin and Penn State in there, teams who will never win the Big Ten but could put together a 8-4 season." So obviously that shows everybody that what u say is most likely wrong, since u thought that they went 8-4.</p>
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<p>Here are some facts for ya:
N. Longshore, QB, Cal: 64.7 CMP%, 4 TD, 1 INT, a 150.1 QB rating
M. Lynch, RB, Cal: 5.5 yards per carry
D. Jackson, WR, Cal: 201 yds, 18.3 YPR, 4 TDs
L. Hawkins, WR, Cal: 13.8 YPR</p>
<p>I wouldnt want to measure these stats up against ur little Iu team.....u might **** ur pants.</p>
<p>OMG, this is only the 3rd week of the season. People are already saying what conferences suck and what not? I'd think people on CC to be better than those on ESPN board. Some of you put too much emphasis on ONE game. As for Cal, a quarterback with virtually no game experience got shaky start during the first game of the season and its against a ranked opponent; some of you already jumped to a conclusion about the team because of that? If I am not mistaken, there will be three Big12 vs Pac10 games this weekend. Then it will be a much better time for some of you to bash and brag. Just be a little more patient. :)</p>