<p>I was speaking in general, my sentence showed that. I didn't specify a year. Any team can have a fluke season. Northwestern did it when they had Barnett coaching them, Purdue did it with Brees, Illinois with Kittner. I'm talking about consistent performance. You can expect Michigan and Ohio State to win 9 games in a season. Anything less, and you hear about how the coach should be fired. However, 9 wins for Wisconsin or Penn State is a good season. That's why they're not elite. How does this tie to my Minnesota argument (which you've already lost, but I don't want to be a hypocrite here)? Minnesota having 7 wins is a success. Michigan having 7 wins is a disaster. That's why you can't compare teams by victory totals. Expectations are different. Schedules are different. Past success has a lot to do with how the team is viewed.</p>
<p>Then, you bring up stats that aren't pertinent at all to the conversation. Congrats, your team can run up scores against Minnesota. I'm impressed. Especially at home, coming off a butt kicking of a half decent team. I mean, the coach didn't give his team a lecture at all after that Tennessee game, right? That does nothing to the argument that Minnesota is good. You're arguing my point for me, showing how a Cal team that can be eaten up in a half by Tennessee can kick the butt out of Minnesota. They are mediocre. They won't win a conference championship (although i'm sure they have in the past, why don't you bring up that pointless point like you did with Penn State).</p>
<p>IU has nothing to do with it. You lose all the arguments so you have to go and diss my team? Pathetic. I sure am getting to you. Everyone knows Indiana blows. That's why the games aren't attended, the athletic department is in the red, and coaches come in and out as quickly as the students do. No recruit wants to play ball here. But how is this revelant to Minnesota being bad? Or are you just getting angry again?</p>
<p>I think you and others are talking about diffrent things. Basically, you are saying Big10 has more teams that are consistently decent and have more tradition. I think you are correct in that. But that doesn't mean the conference as a whole is better. That's separate. Since the new millenium, Pac10 probably has had better bowl record than Big10 and won a bit more in head-to-head matchup (if I remember correctly). It may be weird to absorb this since Big10 often won most of the head-to-head matchup in the 80s/90s which still seems like so recent.</p>
<p>I never said they haven't won a Big 10 championship. Read my post again and try thinking analytically and how i'm using what my said to my argument.</p>
<p>AND TRY NOT WRITING IN CAPS IT MAKES IT HARDER TO READ ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU DON'T HAVE ANYTHING WORTH READING.</p>
<p>I can't even remember when Penn State last beat a ranked team before last year. Maybe in 2000, but I doubt it. Maybe when JoePa was young they were a powerhouse, but thats the same as every major college recruit going to Notre Dame...it just doesnt happen anymore</p>
<p>I don't know college football... right... let me summarize your points here...</p>
<p>1) Minnesota is a good team because they had the same record Michigan did last year
2) Because Cal's in the top 25, they're good
3) Beating Minnesota is justification for Cal being good
4) Penn State is a Big Ten powerhouse
5) Oregon and UCLA can compete with the best in the nation
6) Putting up good numbers against Minnesota means Cal is good</p>
<p>I mean, why do you try and argue stuff when it's blatantly obvious that you have absolutely no clue what you're talking about? Whatever, ignorance is bliss. No wonder Indiana didn't want you, haha.</p>
<p>Oregon will be able to compete with the best teams in the nation when they finally beat Oklahoma...they have a chance Saturday...but I doubt they'll win</p>
<p>rhunter, i disagree with your three word statement, but that's because I think USC is better. Ohio State will more than likely stumble somewhere in their Big 10 schedule.</p>
<p>Not really; I don't see anyone in the Big10 can challenge Ohio State. Big10 doesn't seem to be very deep this year. Iowa barely beat Syracuse but they might just have a bad day. Maybe Michigan can but we'll have to see what kind of team Michigan really is when they play ND this weekend.</p>
<p>USC has Nebraska this weekend; Cal and Oregon can be dangerous. Rivalry game with UCLA isn't always easy. At the end of the season, USC will play ND which is ranked actually higher.</p>
<p>Sam Lee, rankings don't matter at this point... I'm more or less just going off of the team.... USC has a great coach, top college talent every season, and return a lot of defensive starters, and simply reloaded on the offensive side. I don't see many teams being able to beat USC for 4 quarters. I could be way off, but I don't think Nebraska even comes close.</p>
<p>I agree that rankings don't matter that much. But to me, none of the remaining teams on Ohio State's schedule seems to come close to Texas. So that's why I think Ohio State has a clearer path. Iowa and Mich may put up some good fights but these two didn't look all that threatening from their first two games against less teams.</p>
<p>On USC schedule, there seems to be more quality teams. ND was impressive agaisnt Penn State. Nebraska looked very confident, though they played nobody. I haven't figured out Oregon but we will see what it actually is when they play Oklahoma this weekend. Arizona State and Cal are decent teams also. USC can still get there but it looks like they have a rougher path.</p>
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