<p>still for obama.</p>
<p>Obama (still) for me too!</p>
<p>I'm acutally not sure. In the primaries I voted for Obama over Hillary.
However, after the primaries I'm not sure who I support more. I like each of the candidates for different reasons. I guess I get to be one of those swing voters in a swing state where I can really affect the election.</p>
<p>Voted for Clinton in the primaries, but now I support Obama.</p>
<p>Cc is invested will Obamanites here.
ABB.
He has limited experiance in regards to foriegn policy and won't commit to staying or leaving permanently, horrible econ policies. He lies constantly and associates with questionable characters. Weak immigration policies.
I am a Ron Paul supporter, but if he's not on the ballot nov 1, I will go with McCain.</p>
<p>my boyfriend (who is a libertarian..somehow i always date libertarian guys even though i'm a crazy far-left liberal) and i went to see ron paul speak at UNC and i ended up in tears questioning our relationship because of my boy's apparent lack of commitment to preserving equality and compassion for the common man in his support of ron..</p>
<p>I support Obama, though I won't actually get to vote this year because my birthday is a week after election day. :( He's not perfect but he's definitely better than McCain.</p>
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He has limited experiance in regards to foriegn policy and won't commit to staying or leaving permanently, horrible econ policies. He lies constantly and associates with questionable characters. Weak immigration policies.
I am a Ron Paul supporter, but if he's not on the ballot nov 1, I will go with McCain.
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You realize everything you just said about him can also be said about McCain. EASILY. I'm just flabbergasted how any Ron Paul supporter can go for McCain. He stands for everything that Paul is against, namely nation-building and preemptive war (Iran.) I mean, if you were voting for Barr, I'd understand, but McCain? :?</p>
<p>McCain on foreign policy:
-No clear strategy for victory in Iraq. The surge was meant to give the Iraqi government a safe time to stabilize and gain control over the region. However, the Iraqi government is more corrupt than ever and is showing zero signs of progress as its approval ratings plummet.
-McCain wants to stay to "win", but how do you define "winning"? He prefers to leave a permanent base or allotment of troops there; can you say "target practice"? Leaving a permanent American troop presence in the Middle East is not the same as leaving one in West Germany or South Korea. "Staying to win" is just plain naive if you don't even know what "winning" is. Violence will never cease in Iraq as long as we are there.
-He's joked</a> about bombing Iran. The guy is clearly not level-headed. He and his buddy Bush called Obama an appeaser yet just this week Bush negotiated with the North Korean government (one of the so-called "Axis of Evil" powers) in regards to its nuclear weapons program.
-He's</a> called Asians gooks, and refused to apologize for his words until weeks later, only after enormous pressure.</p>
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I'm not going to deny that Obama has flipflopped on several things, like gun control, campaign financing, and telecom immunity, but he's far less guilty as McCain, who has flipflopped on nearly EVERYTHING since he started his 2008 campaign. He was against torture, yet voted for making waterboarding legal in the Senate. He supported a major campaign finance reform bill named after him, yet in June he abandoned the bill. He was anti-ethanol, now he's for it. He was against overturning Roe v Wade, now he's for it. And the most important of all in my opinion: he's done nothing</a>to help pass pro-environment and pro-renewable energy bills in the Senate, yet he now touts how "green" he is! There was a bill that needed only one more vote to pass; he was the swing vote. Yet he didn't show up to vote. He's received millions and millions of dollars from lobbyists, oil companies, and corporations. If you think he's actually going to do **** to help push for clean renewable energies you have to be really naive... Look at the money trail and you will see what the candidate will do once he's in power. Obama only takes money from the people, not lobbyists; therefore, the only people he will feel pressure to answer to once he's in the Oval Office is the American people, not Chevron Corp.</p>
<p>As for who he associates with, please</a> don't get me started, LOL! I think electing someone based on who he associates with is a stupid idea, anyway. I am voting for the candidate, not for his friends, so I couldn't care less what one of their previous pastors said.</p>
<p>Weak immigration policies? You're voting McCain yet you think he's got weak immigration policies!? LMAO! McCain was one of the leading</a> sponsors of a billthat would have granted amnesty to illegal immigrants. In fact, the bill was named after him! This bill ultimately failed to pass because it did nothing to strengthen the border at all.</p>
<p>The clincher for me in not supporting McCain is [url=<a href="http://www.time-blog.com/swampland/2008/06/mccain_slams_the_supreme_court.html%5Dthis%5B/url">http://www.time-blog.com/swampland/2008/06/mccain_slams_the_supreme_court.html]this[/url</a>]. In these past 8 years, we have seen Bush stepping all over the Constitution and declaring it "just a damn piece of paper", and McCain shows he would be no different. I don't know if it's his age or Alzheimer's setting in, but he's apparently forgotten that habeas corpus is one of the foundations of Western law and the strongest protection society has come up with against unlawful detention. </p>
<p>(And, I know the healthcare debate in this thread is from last year. But I just want to chime in here, because there are many misconceptions about universal health care, and this is one of them.)</p>
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<p>False. In some countries with public health care, if you opt out of the public system, the change is reflected in your taxes.</p>
<p>Obama '08!</p>
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I'm not going to deny that Obama has flipflopped on several things, like gun control
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<p>No he hasn't - he's still as against guns as ever. He's just changing his tune now that SCOTUS has b!tch-slapped DC, trying to get more fence-sitting moderates to vote for him. </p>
<p>Listen, I agree that McCain is far from perfect, but in the end I have to vote for the candidate that most agrees with me, and that is definitely McCain. I have strong libertarian ideals (certainly don't agree with RP on many things, though), and Obama is quite possibly the most liberal senator out there.</p>
<p>Universal Healthcare is a terrible idea, we need less taxes and less spending, not more, and we need more textualist justices on SCOTUS (the recent gun ruling in Heller vs DC proves just how intellectually dishonest the liberal wing of the court is - not an individual right, are you bloody insane? - I at least could have respected them if they had said "yeah we have to admit that its an individual right like the rest of the BOR, but we still want to regulate the hell out of it")</p>
<p>No Obama for me, that's for sure. ;P</p>
<p>I have my qualms with the two major candidates, but I have way too many issues with Obama. I'm taking my time on deciding for certain whom I want to vote for, but I don't forsee Obama getting that spot.</p>
<p>He called his torturers "gooks", not all asians, who beat him so much and so hard that his hair turned white and so hard that he can't raise his arms above his shoulders. Even if it is a racist word, this is coming from an asian, I'm alright with it considering it's directed at those people, and since he adopted a sick banglahdeshi girl from mother tereasa's orphanage.</p>
<p>regardless, educated and thoughtful people generally stay away from words that alienate and offend people. the fact that the word is even in his vocabulary just shows that his mindset is ignorant and intolerant. even if i were the victim of a crime at the hands of someone who was a minority, i still would not, under any circumstances, refer to them with a racist label.</p>
<p>also, any women who value their own reproductive rights (not just abortion--reproductive rights also include access to inexpensive birth control and sexual health information) will NOT vote for mccain, who has received a 0 rating from NARAL every year. obama has received a 100.</p>
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<p>Doesn't seem any different than choosing private K-12 over public. You still pay for the public schools.</p>
<p>Ummm...this is for people who can VOTE in the election.
What foriegn policy experiance does obama have?
You do understand we havr troops in countless countries, such as Japan.
Obama is not to any clear stance on iraq or afghan.
My cousin is fighting and feels there is progress.
bob barr is not a real Libertarian.
McCain has been around for years, so it bound to occur that he spewed some half truths.
Obama still hasn't taken a stance on heller v dc.
Obama origanlly said he would accept public funds, than reneged on his promise
Mccain is more bi partisan than obama.
Obama is the most liberal in congress, and has the WORST attendence of any Dem, and has voted present too much instead of ya or nay.
Health care is affordable, and programs exist to insure the poor already.
Mccain has differences with bush, and has criticized bush before.
If you have researched mccain you would know.
Obama has little knowledge on the economy. Remember the last debate when he gave a blank stare when talking about the capital gains tax? At least mccain doesn't pretend to know more than he does.
The mortage crisis. Obama wants to help bail out those who made poor and greedy decision, but punish those who make responsible choices by heavily taxing the rich.
Obama wants the death penalty to be an option for child molesters, but wants less innocent ppl on death row.
If you are objective of obama and his policies, you would realize how flawed they are. His entire platform is based on two words, hope, change. Not policies. Not actions
Obama claims to be green, but voted FOR coal liqification.
If you look at what mccain has voted for, he has voted for multiple pro green bills.
Obama also accepted money from oil lobbyist. The hamas endorsed him. Loius farrakhan endorsed him. He's friends with a convicted terrorist.</p>
<p>cynthia mckinney</p>
<p>Reluctantly voting for Obama, because I don't want another eight years of GWB under McCain. I've taken the position that this country is probably screwed no matter who gets elected or what party's in power, so, I'm voting for Obama because then our collapse might be somewhat entertaining.</p>
<p>Haha. Enternaing collapse. Sad part is, obama would probably be re elected, because all the skeptisim of his failed administration and presidency would be called racist and illegitimate.
Its a general and incorret assumtion that McCain would be another 4yrs or bush.
Also, to the kid who can't vote. Did you read mccains energy plan, one which offerd $300mill to a company to design an efficient alt energy car and his plans for energy independence? He makes a valid point that everytime we go to the pumps, we in part "fuel" terrorist organizations. He's voted on enviormental bills forbiding off shore drilling and protecting certain areas, such as the arctic. He would also require that all gov vehicles be energy efficient and at least a hybrid.
Did you know a company in (I think) detriot designed an electric car and one which gets 80mpg? Alternatives already exist, but people don't want to make sacrifices, so they blame the gov.
We have a lot of smart people in the US. If I were in office, I would put an embargo on saudi arabia venuzuala and all countries that sell us oil within 1 year, forcing companies to come up the alternatives. Brazils cars run on sugar for gos sake!
The whole enviornment how about we stop putting up housing plans and walmart shopping centers everywhere possible? People have a lot more power thansome think. We could conserve and boycott, take public transportation(not driving to school) blah blah blah...etc stc.
Stop putting all this faith in politicians to change things when we have the ability to everyday. For all those opposed to our undeclared war, how about protesting? Economy. Stop living beyond your means. All these things were supposed to change bc the dems won a bunch of seats, but nothing did. They didn't keep their promise.
Obama is a politician above all else.</p>
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<p>Maybe not if another Republican is elected.</p>
<p>As someone who cares about the education system, about protecting this planet, about finding cures for diseases, about my and every woman's reproductive rights, about the right to gay marriage, about keeping guns off the streets, about every citizen's right to affordable health care, about ending violence worldwide, about stopping imperialistic crusades, about making the world a safe and happy place for our children to grow up in, about the values that this country was founded on damn it, I am voting for Obama. I may be another crazy liberal but I won't let the right wing nut jobs call me unpatriotic. This country was founded upon beautiful principles. Shouldn't we be progressing toward a utopia rather than regressing to a crude and dangerous country that is not respected? It's time for a change. It's time for someone who is a bit idealistic, who is a bit young (cough uncorrupted cough), who is all about the hope. Voting for Obama is a no brainer for me. I see no other option.</p>
<p>Do you seriously think the SC would overturn roe v wade?
Mccain is pro choice.
Obama is pro partial ban abortions, which is plain sick.
Abortions people need to be responsible. There are countless ways to protect against pregnencys and when people know how to protect themselves choose not to, why should they be able to have a get out jail free card?
Yes, is cases involving rape or serious health risks, abortions are unquestionably fine.
The problem with the us is not enough people are taking responsibility for their choices and their actions.
If you look at BO's entire voting record, its clear he's not pro green on a consistent basis. He voted for coal liqification.
Mccain is more moderate than BO is, or ever was.</p>
<p>SC couldn't overturn Roe v. Wade without running into a whole slew of constitutional problems, since essentially that means they would be redefining what constituted pregnancy. But anyway, as I see it, the abortion question is something that will not go away anytime soon, and no matter what policy is being upheld by the court at the time, no one will be perfectly happy. Why not just allow the states to make the decisions themselves? That way the national arena would be open for discussion of actual problems facing the country, such as our crippling debt or the collapse of the imperial system we've created abroad.</p>