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<p>I am flattered that you think I am sick. Also, men wanting to have sex. That’s not healthy at all. Maybe we should kill all men?</p>
<p>OK, but you said rape, to be fair. In that case you are trying to make the point that no person should ever take advantage of another person (and if they do, then they are insane, sick, and a tick in the standard deviation of society), and that point doesn’t really hold.</p>
<p>I wanted to have sex for eighteen years, but I never raped anyone. It takes a very weak man to commit rape.</p>
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<p>All it takes is a unique set of circumstances and the lack of self restraint. I would say those circumstances make a man vulnerable rather than weak.</p>
<p>Prothero; let me ask you a question: Is it ok for a husband to force his wife to have sex with him when she has clearly said she does not want to have sex?</p>
<p>To Prothero–are you trying to justify rape? W-T-F is wrong with you? Rape is about power, control and domination over the other individual. I’m not sure where you are going with your arguments but you sound like a sick person…</p>
<p>“Any abusive man in a relationship is a terrible human being and deserves to go to prison”</p>
<p>Is that what you want me to say? I think I would rather say that it is not our responsibility to decide whether it is right or wrong, or even more to act upon it convict the husband through our justice system. What happens happens. Bad things happen in the world and they always will. Do we convict male dogs of raping female dogs? (I don’t think so) </p>
<p>Personally, I don’t like rape at all. All I am doing is providing a perspective <em>other</em> than this narrow one that you hold.</p>
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<p>Of course I’m not, since clearly a society would never survive (or flourish) without equality and rights between the sexes. </p>
<p>I’m not going anywhere with this. I’m just making a counter-argument, if you will.</p>
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<p>Then what do you call it when a woman is forced against her will into sexual acts/intercourse with some male? Was the man just “loosing control”? What’s your justification of that? How about flipping the situation?!?!? Lets say you’re that young woman, how would you feel about walking alone at night? Being alone around men you don’t necessarily trust, etc? </p>
<p>I guess we are just not looking at the issue from the same view point…</p>
<p>To all of those who are confused: Prothero is playing the devil’s advocate in order to invoke a new discussion pertaining to whether actions can be inherently good or bad, specifically in regards to rape.</p>
<p>There are a number of situations in which rape would be justified. For instance, if there were only two humans left on the earth, a man and a woman, and the woman was unwilling to continue the existence of the human race, rape would probably be justified. Or, if raping cured terminal diseases, it would probably be worth it. And…actually, those are the only two situations I can think of where rape could be condoned.</p>
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<p>It doesn’t have to be my justification, because I’m not God. Actually a better way to look at it would be figuring out the man’s reasons for doing it, which might be unique in every situation.</p>
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<p>Absolutely, and that’s why I said this is the only reason that we have rape laws in the first place, in order to make women feel safer.</p>
<p>@ east89 reminds me of the Shakespeare quote, “there is nothing either good or bad but thinking makes it so”. I believe its from Hamlet. This entire thread would be pointless b/c we are using reasoning to argue our points (according to Prothero) >_<</p>
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<p>And the only situation in which death should be condoned is for a) You really really want to or b) if it cured cancer. But seriously, you can’t look at it in black or white terms like this. You can’t just say rape is bad and that’s it.</p>
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<p>I think the idea that things that happen, happen, was a good thing to bring up since we are talking in so many different perspectives here. To an entire group of people, rape is a terrible, terrible thing because it undermines the feeling of safety for ALL women in that group of people. To one person, rape is bad because of the connotation that all rapists are bad. When actually that person doesn’t know the reasons behind the rapists actions or anything like that; rapists are just labeled as bad (mainly because it is bad to society). Individually, rapists are not bad or good or evil- we really have no right to judge them.</p>
<p>All I am trying to break up here is the view all rapists are bad, and rape is a bad thing in itself. To society, yes rape is not a healthy thing to have to worry about from day to day. That does not mean however that all rapists are terrible people and we need to get them out of here asap (considering there will always be rapists).</p>
<p>ALso, I haven’t even gotten into how girls play the victim stereotype a lot of the time, which can be seen a lot throughout this thread…but I feel if I even hint at bringing it up everyone will consider me an evil ■■■■■■■.</p>
<p>Yes we do. They commit a terrible act, they’re bad for it.</p>
<p>I know what you’re getting at here, but the fact of the matter is we view them as bad because we are told it is bad. If people were raised being told that rape is okay, well obviously they won’t thing ill of rapists.</p>
<p>Prothero, while that’s certainly a philosophical position some people hold, you need to give some arguments. Otherwise I could just bust out the Categorical Imperative- not the more commonly known first formulation (though that applies too) but the second formulation: “Act in such a way that you treat humanity, whether in your own person or in the person of any other, always at the same time as an end and never merely as a means to an end.”</p>
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<p>As I said earlier, it depends on who it is bad <em>for</em>. It <em>is</em> bad for society. It <em>is</em> bad for the woman. These people are not evil for their actions, unless all men are evil. There is rape and there will always be rape (there are not a defined group of rapists and if we get rid of them they will be gone forever)</p>
<p>@ Prothero, I think I am beginning to understand what you are trying to say. Although, most/many do not view rape in your viewpoint (which you know already). I think its interesting how you choose to view this subject.</p>
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<p>I’m not a philosophy major because I would probably get too depressed. But in response to that last quote all I respond with is the obvious fact that not everyone treats others the way they want to be treated, especially here in America. </p>
<p>A lot of times I bring up common idea that I think everyone will understand, if you don’t then ask me to clarify.</p>
<p>I never made a reference to “hell”, or anything of the sort…I won’t begin to judge another’s life in this light, because I am just as at fault as anyone else…</p>
<p>If epochs in jail or capitol punishment works, then so be it. Yet Historically, the more lax the majority becomes, the greater the occurrence of crime (such as rape). It’s a vicious cycle. I’m merely stating that there will be more instances of rape as tolerance levels are progressively raised.</p>
<p>What do you mean by tolerance levels? The amount of sex glorified by the media? Or the jail sentences handed out to criminals? I’m of the belief that if an accused rapist is found beyond any and all doubt to be guilty, he should either be jailed for life or expeditiously executed, so you’re preaching to the choir if it’s the latter.</p>