<p>^^^^^
yes, a 5 on an AP exam is not the same as an A in a college-level course. many tout that ap courses are "college level" but, quite frankly, they are not. in fact, the reason a lot of schools are no longer offering credit of the ap's is because the ap curriculums are not aligned with college courses' curriculums at all. ap chem, for example, is about 20 years behind where it should be.</p>
<p>Um, I don't know about that adofficer.</p>
<p>AP english was wayyyyyy harder than Freshman Composition for me.</p>
<p>It seems so stupid that colleges look on you hs transcripts to see how many APs you've taken and the more APs the better, but once you actually get to the college, they won't accept the credit. Does not make sense to me. . .</p>
<p>Sorry I got to this one late. Most colleges have a limit on the number of AP or CLEP credits that they will accept, and it has been this way for years. There are, IMO, a few reasons for this. One is money - the school wants to get a certain amount of tuition & fees out of a student. If they can omit approximately 2 years from the time spent to complete a Bachelor's degree, that's a significant amount of money lost. Another is level of knowledge. As has been well-pointed out earlier, in general, class at marginal community college < AP class at well-respected high school < same class at elite university. Undoubtedly some instructors and institutions fly higher, faster, and farther than others. Schools are pretty good about realizing what a certain score on a specific CLEP/AP exam equates to in their departments.</p>
<p>vtoodler...i'm glad you were challenged in ap english in high school...english comp freshman year of college isn't terribly challenging for students who have taken ap english or have a talent for writing...it's a very introductory course to college writing - one that has been watered down considerably in the past few decades. </p>
<p>Mr. Payne...your assertion that performance on APs is the best metric we have for predicting college success is not true. Work done by education researchers at the Harvard School of Education and at the University of Virginia was released in March of last year, much to the horror of the College Board (:)), indicating that the two are not synonymous at all (ap performance and college success)...this is something that faculty members at selective colleges and universities have been asserting for years but that many schools were afraid to study since the CB has such a chokehold on us (that is a topic of conversation i would love to have with any of you who are teachers on here). As I mentioned before, some of the curricula are so outdated that many schools - including where I work - are starting to no longer give credit for APs that they used to. </p>
<p>The best metric we have for predicting college success is gpa...rigor of curriculum and performance in class has been repeated found to be the best possible indicator of future college success...this is why we spend hour after hour trying to understand every kid's curriculum at their particular school before making any decisions!</p>
<p>Unfortunately, the quality of a high school course varies so much...I went to what people would probably call a "good" high school (one that sends a lot of students on to 4-year universities) and personally, well... </p>
<p>For example, I took 1 year of english through UC Berkeley Extension and honestly, it was the only english class that I ever thoroughly enjoyed - and felt like I learned something - and what I learned actually helped later in college. The rest of english I took at my HS (including AP English), did ok, but I thought didn't really learn anything. Nothing that really sank in or that I even remember today, let alone help in college. And of course, the first course with writing I took in college...I was told to essentially break most of the "rules" of writing I had learned in HS, most of which I thought were stupid anyway.</p>
<p>Conclusion? Actually, while my performance in high school was pretty good grade-wise, I don't think it was any indicator of "what was to come" at all. For a while I thought SAT score seemed to work well (on the old SAT, based on my limited perspective w/ friends) but now I see lots of my younger friends from high school getting SAT scores (on the new SAT) which sometimes seem disturbingly different from what I think they're capable of, both higher and lower.</p>
<p>Frankly, beats me how adcoms ever figure out who is qualified or not in this day and age. Guys/gals, you have my sympathies :)</p>
<p>I'm pretty much limiting myself to a UC partly so I get the most out of my AP credits.</p>
<p>Does anybody know if UC placed any limit's? Could you take lol all 35 or 37 (i am not im asking if they limit the amount of credits possible to achieve)</p>
<p>I diagree self study is good how is that bad if u can study by yourself and get a 5 what's the problem. Just because worse students cant do this with a class doesnt mean geting ride of Ap</p>
<p>SOME SCHOOLS EVEN GIVE CREDIT FOR CLEP (ITS WAY EASIER THAN AP WITH NO ESSAYS)</p>
<p>does anybody know I would really like to know if you have a limit at UC for AP credit's</p>
<p>also is there any college that has absolutely no ,liimit on ap credits so if you took 30 you would basically graduate, or maybe have 1 years, or so??</p>