Colleges for Musical Theater - PART 39 !

<p>Anna, wow, that IS you! Truthfully it was not just the name but the way you write...always so intelligently and maturely...I could just tell :D. Yep, been a very rough year for you know who and certainly a setback but she has recovered and is dancing and driving and is at SDM right now for one last fling for three weeks. She graduated this past weekend at age sixteen. Will be off in NYC and I hope one day you guys can connect after all these years. We both have always admired you. And you know how her first show there was with you and the director, L.N.? He is still there. She had him last year for her fourth time out of fifteen shows there. It would be funny to have her final one with him after the first one being with him. I still think he is great. And one more little tidbit cause I know you LOVE Sondheim....for a final project for an Amercian Studies class this year, she did a forty page paper comparing Sondheim and Jonathan Larsen and put together and performed a set of their songs (piano and singing) that related (various themes) and so she has followed in your footsteps on the Sondheim adoration. Now, she should only follow in YOUR footsteps with YOUR great success. </p>

<p>Glad you found this forum because I know you have much to offer up and coming theater school hopefuls.
Love,
Susan</p>

<p>Annabelera-</p>

<p>So - the question that I am most fascinated with at this point (mom of rising Senior) is why you picked the program you did. You must have done lots of MT as well (having attended SDM).</p>

<p>I know that everyone will find the 'right' fit for them (or have a it chosen FOR them through the audition process..)</p>

<p>And CoachC - I am interested in your 2 young men's reactions as well. When my D and I visited BU over Spring break - we asked the students the same questions - and I know that it will become clearer to my D - once we begin auditions - but any input is appreciated.</p>

<p>Just like any parenting tips that I collect - I take it, swirl it around in my brain for awhile - and if it makes sense - hang on to it!</p>

<p>janenw</p>

<p>Keep posting students! It is valuable info for us!!</p>

<p>Hayhayden. Your post and reply to me was extreemly rude and uncalled for. If YOU don't like someobody's opinion, then you can express it is a civil tone. As some who has come to here to gain infomation, you need to be open to all opinions. Not the ones you want to hear. It's interesting how defensive you became about my post regarding CMU. Just cause your "considering" going there is no reason to throw your fit.</p>

<p>I have every right to express my opinion. Perhpas, next time, you can do it more professionaly.</p>

<p>The recent poster was right. This board has gone down hill.</p>

<p>And it seemed like it was going towards a positive trend until right about now.</p>

<p>And private messages are very useful tools.</p>

<p>It wasn't rude at all. You were accusing people of lying and making things up, so I merely said that you had no basis to do so. And I also merely stated that there is nothing wrong with people giving positive opinions of their school...yes, by going to X school, you are probably somehwhat biased towards X school, but everyone knows that. Now you're being a little hypocritical! First, you were complaining about birdboy's opinions (because they were too positive), saying that they are not of any use (which was rather rude, after birdboy spent a lot of time giving us info), and now you're saying that I need to be open to people's opinions....</p>

<p>Hello,</p>

<p>I just wanted to say hi and extend a warm thanks to the many parents who on the MT Thread were most helpful and encouraging to me a year ago before I had to leave so abruptly.</p>

<p>I have recently reconnected wih CC after a year of personal complications and severe health problems with several family members. Including a long bout myself.</p>

<p>Look for my 3 posts on the Theatre/Drama thread </p>

<p>*Thesobohemian and all: reconnecting with CC
*UCLA and Theatre College advice in general
*A Little Gem of a School in California</p>

<p>Congrats to the class of 2005</p>

<p>Hope all have a great summer</p>

<p>And my best wishes to the new crop of seniors going through the process of college selection for 2006. MT is a selective course of learning with many fine BFA programs available</p>

<p>Valerie</p>

<p>As to why I chose Juilliard...</p>

<p>honestly, it wasn't that tough a choice. It was the first school I heard from, and after that everything else sort of paled in comparison. </p>

<p>I applied very much on a whim, NEVER expected in my wildest dreams to get in, and when I did it was sort of like a fairy tale...Juilliard had been this mythic place to me ever since, at age 12, I saw a master class done by Barbara Cook with a bunch of students on musical theater songs. They were amazing. She was amazing. The opportunity for them to WORK with her like that was amazing. I was hooked.</p>

<p>Granted, those were voice majors...which I discovered later...but still.</p>

<p>I thought the program was by far the most interesting and impressive of those I looked at -- the small classes, the age variation, the fact that you're always in a play, the chance to work on classics, the incredible faculty, the playwrights program was a big selling point to me, I'm a huuuuuge lover of new work and a major fan of Durang and Marsha Norman...these were all great...I liked that there wasn't a big cut system...I liked that you were always working on a show, right from the beginning of first year...I liked that there wasn't a particular "method" they perscribed...and I just got a great impression of the school from the auditions and everything I saw. They are incredibly friendly to admitted (and prospective) students and immmediately gave me tickets to see everything the school was doing that season...and I went to see a production and was completely and entirely blown away. Like...blooooown away. And also, growing up in NY and being lucky enough to see a tremendous amount of theater, I had found that often a lot of the actors that I was most impressed with happened to be Juilliard trained. Probably often pure coincidence, but taht was my experience before I ever thought of applying to the school. So when I got the opportunity to go myself, I didn't really think twice. No other school really made me blink. Plus (though this was hardly the deciding factor) Juilliard's actually significantly less expensive than most of the other schools I was looking at...it's not cheap, by any means, but it was the least expensive place i looked at, including liberal arts schools. I don't know how the numbers compare now, a couple years later. </p>

<p>I have done a lot of musical theater -- it's my first love and I am, as Susan mentions, a huge Sondheim enthusiast and something of a musical theater encyclopedia -- but I think of myself VERY much as an actor first. And I think my career (if I have one! Hopefully!) will not be in musicals. Just because there are so many people out there who do that soooooo well that me being sort of halfway okay at it isn't going to really cut it. </p>

<p>Not to say that there isn't really strong singing training at school -- there definitely and absolutely is. In fact, some truly incredible singers choose Juilliard over a MT program -- three people in my class decided to turn down CMU's MT program to attend Juilliard -- and since they only take 12, they weren't too happy about that...but it varies. We have some students who are INCREDIBLE knock your socks off singers and musical theater performers, and that's what they want to do primarily when they leave school...and then we have others who are tone deaf and/or terrified of singing and will probably never do it again in their lives. And then we have some people who think they're not singers and discover over the course of the training that they're actually really wonderful singers -- and that's sort of the most exciting thing. </p>

<p>We have singing class, private singing coachings, the occasional chance to do musicals, and a big cabaret production. And though very very rarely are full scale musicals done, there's almost always elements of singing/music/dance in the productions, so it's not like you don't get any chance to work on those skills or use them in performance.</p>

<p>I really don't feel like I'm giving up anything at all in a straight theater program...but then, if I were a die hard only-want-to-do-musicals person, I might. The program definitely isn't for someone who only only wants to do musicals. But that's not me.</p>

<p>So that was my "decision" which really didn't feel like much of one at the time. It felt more like, "WOW, they'll let me go there?? yes yes yes yes yes, I don't know what they're thinking, but yes!" It felt sort of like a through-the-looking-glass crazy stroke of luck. You know? I know some of my classmates made much more rational, comparative, considered decisions after visiting lots of places and interviewing lots of people, etc...but mine was pretty immediate...</p>

<p>Also, I should add, I only applied to 5 conservatories, so I was only choosing among 5 schools, whereas I know some people are applying to eighty billion and have a lot more options to consider. </p>

<p>What you say about everyone finding their best fit is totally right -- not every school is a match for every person, and I'm a firm believer that people wind up where they belong.</p>

<p>But that's a big about my long-ago experience.</p>

<p>If posters want to argue about something someone said or didn't say, could they please do it off the board? email, private message, IM, etc. would all be good places for this. Thanks.</p>

<p>Annabelera - thank you so much for sharing your experiences and for your insight!!!! What a wonderful education you are experiencing!!!! </p>

<p>My d worked with a Juilliard teacher on music theory and solfege using their textbooks and boy did she ever struggle - what they do in one chapter is equivalent to probably 1 month anywhere else. She was 14 at the time but she has full appreciation for the education there! This school is a dream for her also. She's looking to major in vocal performance and science (she loves that Barnard/Juilliard program) but I hear they tend to take much more mature singers than the typical college freshman - so it's very improbable but it's great to dream about.</p>

<p>Hi, Valerie: Welcome back!</p>

<p>I want to read your posts on the theatre thread, but I can't find that thread any more. Can you give me an idea where to find it? I keep thinking it would be nice if we had a link on the MT forum to the theatre thread. Does anyone know how to do that?</p>

<p>Thanks.</p>

<p>Mtmommy,
The Theatre/Drama Colleges thread is in the College Majors section under the subdivision Arts Majors. Here’s a link directly to Valerie’s</a> posts.</p>

<p>Thesbo--Thanks so much!!</p>

<p>I just posted this on another thread but it is also very relevant here - hope no one minds the duplication, since this is by far the most "looked at" thread here.
Coach C</p>

<p>Hi, musicman!</p>

<p>You posted last week asking about vocal coaching and possible medical concerns. Unless you are having specific vocal "issues" (problems), you probably don't have to worry about anything medically, although it's always cool for singers to get a "baseline" vocal strobe just to familiarize you with your vocal anatomy and, more importantly, to get a picture of your voice in its "normal, healthy" state as a basis for comparison if you ever DO have vocal trouble such as a vocal injury. However, most insurances probably won't cover this "healthy voice" care unless you are officially making your living with your voice (and sometimes you have trouble getting the coverage even then.)</p>

<p>Your main concern in looking for a vocal coach should be being aware of what YOU need this person to do. Basically, a "voice teacher" is someone responsible for instilling good vocal technique (breath support, relaxation of the throat and face musculature, creating "space" in your mouth, forming vowels properly, singing a truly musical "line," etc.) Many AMAZING voice teachers are NOT very good at selecting MT rep - although SOME are VERY good - because their education has not been about keeping up on MT trends - their rep education was most often centered around classical (opera, art song, & oratorio) rep. I say this NOT to "diss" voice teachers - a good voice teacher who is a real technique AND musicianship master is THE most important thing for a developing singer to find!!! However, you need to make sure your voice teacher really knows the MOST CURRENT needs for MT auditioners. That does NOT mean he or she is versed in WICKED, AVE Q, BROOKLYN, etc. - I am not talking about simply being versed in the most popular contemporary MT rep - in general, those thing are horrible choices for auditions anyway because they are so overdone! I am talking about someone who knows a WEALTH of both classic and contemporary MT songs and, if at all possible, what each school prefers. (Each school will certainly list your song REQUIREMENTS - a pre-1960 song, for example - but if you can get "insider info" on which schools REALLY love true Golden Age choices, which schools love more cabaret-style songs, etc., so much the better.) </p>

<p>In New York, many actors have BOTH a voice teacher and a vocal coach: the coach helps the actor pick really suitable rep for his or her type and also for the requirements of any partcular audition and also works on the overall acting and vocal style of the presentation - but usually doesn't address vocal technique AS MUCH as a voice teacher. But many voice teachers ALSO are excellent coaches of acting a song - and many ARE NOT.</p>

<p>I hope this seemingly conflicting info doesn't confuse you, but rather serves to point out that you can't necessarily take a teacher's word on his or her area of expertise. Without being disrespectful, you need to make sure each of your coaches and teachers can do ALL that you need to prepare to audition as an MT - meaning you will learn different styles of singing (girls, any teacher who tells you "you can't belt with me" doesn't understand SAFE belting or at least "mixy belting" and DEFINITELY doesn't "get" that girls MUST DO a belt song for nearly all conservatory auditions, as well as a legit song!!!) and have a wide variety of rep available to you - NOT just the songs in the Musical Theatre Anthology collections!!! (Yes, those are WONDERFUL resources - but if "everyone" uses them, you should try to avoid that material unless it REALLY fits you such that you "own" it!!!) </p>

<p>My #1 piece of advice, as a LONGTIME teacher who has coached alongside everyone from amazing teachers in small, isolated towns (like my hometown!) to current Broadway MT actors, is this:</p>

<p>Any REALLY GOOD teacher will NOT be afraid to admit what they CANNOT do for you. I tell ALL of my students that I am an excellent person to pick and coach rep but that I am NOT the best person to BUILD their voices (instill technique), although I certainly know more than most teachers - it just so happens that I have a colleague who is a MUCH better and MUCH more qualified (undergrad and Master's degrees from CMU in voice performance as well as Equity and AGMA performance experience) voice teacher than I am. So he and I work TOGETHER on preparing students for college auditions, to great success so far (admission and scholarships to UM, NYU, CMU, PPU, PSU, CCM, etc.).</p>

<p>And finally - if you live in a town with limited resources, or if your own financial resources are limited and you can't get a lot of coaching/teaching for those reasons, are you "doomed?" NO WAY! MT schools can recognize raw talent, for sure, even if you sing the "wrong" songs and are not very prepared. But the deal is that you have to be REALLY talented in order for that to be true. Like everything, college MT auditions are becoming more and more competitive, so any "edge" you can provide for yourself (solid, ineresting, and appropriate audition pieces, for example) helps you to be noticed. But colleges do NOT expect you to be a "perfect package" when you audition - otherwise, why would you NEED school? So do as much as YOU CAN to prepare for your auditions - but don't stress about what you genuinely CAN'T do!!!</p>

<p>Good luck to all - I hope this was helpful!</p>

<p>Important correction to my post - I didn't mean to say you can audition and NOT be prepared - I meant if you are "incorrectly" prepared because you didn't have a way to find out much beforehand (so you sing a song that is not age-appropriate, for example), you can still be noticed. But you MUST MUST MUST prepare as much as possible - or colleges see "slacker" or "disorganized person."</p>

<p>But you are reading this, of course, so obviously you have good prep habits already! :)</p>

<p>Valerie! Great to see you. I will post on the Theater forum rather than here since you posted lots there.
Susan</p>

<p>Hi Coach C!</p>

<p>Can't tell you how much we all appreciate your taking the time to post here. You've already shared such valuable information and I know it will help many people.</p>

<p>I would like to take issue with just one statement you made in your previous post - "girls MUST DO a belt song for nearly all conservatory auditions, as well as a legit song!!!"</p>

<p>I'm sorry, but our experience suggests otherwise and I don't want upcoming students stressing about being able to demonstrate a belt song and a legit song. I'm not saying that an applicant shouldn't show both if they have both - clearly that makes for a very attractive vocal package. It's the "MUST DO" phrase that I think is misleading. I think that a successful applicant will have thought about and have chosen songs that demonstrate vocal range, i.e., low notes and high notes within their specific voice type, as well as range of character, tempi, etc; but showing a strong, healthy lower range does not directly correspond to singing a "belt" song. </p>

<p>Lastly, and here is where I'm just expressing my opinion, not fact, but from what I've seen in professional performance and learned from the college audition process, I think the top schools are more interested in students who can demonstrate healthy, legitimate vocal technique - low and or high - than those who can belt like Ethel Merman but can't produce a legitimate, clear, supported tone in their head voice or transition smoothly over the entire range of their voice. People all too often equate the word "legitimate" to only the soprano voice and that's also not true. As you noted, any voice teacher worth his or her salt can teach a healthy singer how to produce a belt or mixy belt. Recovering a head voice blown out by misuse of the vocal chords is much more difficult and maybe impossible if too much damage has already been done.</p>

<p>Hope this makes sense. Thanks again and hope you continue to share your great info.</p>

<p>::dutifully takes notes::</p>

<p>Annabelera - Wow - thanks so much for sharing, and congrat's on getting into Juilliard! My MT son feels much the same way as you did about Juilliard before you applied there. We had the most wonderful visit there last year! It is impressive to meet an undergrad. who actually was accepted! Would I assume you are still glad you went there after being there for awhile? Thanks!</p>

<p>Hi- just wanted to add my 2 cents to the "belting" controversy. My daughter is basically a soprano who recently learned to belt from an EXCELLENT voice teacher (graduate of Juilliard, coincidentally!) and she chose both a high soprano song (went to a high C) and a "belty" song (belted to a C) for her college audition. Although she can belt to a C with most songs, it seems like most directors want singers who can belt higher. I don't think my d will ever be comfortable belting any higher than a C. It does seem, though, that most of the really in-demand Broadway stars are big belters (Eden E., Sutton, Shoshana). I hope that you're correct, though, in saying that it's not that important to be able to belt really high. Any directors/college admissions people out there care to comment? Thx! (PS - I personally think Ethel Merman's voice is annoying, may she RIP. She can belt, but I don't like the tone quality of her voice. Sorry, just my opinion!)</p>

<p>Annabelera--</p>

<p>re: the friendliness and the atmosphere-- Julliard was by far my most enjoyable audition this past year. When I got back home, I raved about how warm, welcoming, friendly and helpful all the staff and especially students were during my day there. I really don't understand where the Julliard-people-are-cold-and-snooty stereotype comes from. I found the absolute opposite.</p>