<p>Again - please don't worry. If you are looking at BFA programs, know that these schools understand that there are only so many hours in a day (and night). Since training for so many of these kids, at least those not in PA highschools, must be fit in around a full day of regular high school, homework, the occasional family meal and a few minutes sleep each day ;) , the schools understand that non MT EC's are often what has to be left off the list. Yes there are "superkids" out there that seem to be able to do it all, just as there adults who always seem to be able to work full time, raise a family, walk the dog, do volunteer work, rake leaves and donate blood at the same time. </p>
<p>When my D asked if she should be concerned about the limited non performing arts EC's on her college apps, I told her to write an essay on the value of restorative "vegging." (jk) But truly, I do mourn the lack of understanding of the value of quiet time........just a little each day goes a long way.</p>
<p>IMHO, I think you safely start looking for something else to worry about (it's an occupational hazard of being an MT parent).</p>
<p>If anyone gets the college of fine arts school of theatre arts brochure 2006-7, for The University of Arizona, D#1 is in both pictures of GUYS AND DOLLS! What a nice and timely surprise considering we are beginning the agonizing process of applying to MT colleges all over again with D#2...sort of a reminder for me not to get too tense over the next few months!</p>
<p>Dear Ericsmom: Thanks for the insight. I tried to send a response but your message center was full. I'll try again later. Dear LAWoman: It sounds like we are in the same boat. We both have quite an education in store for us I have a feeling. Best of luck. This site is a g-dsend though, as I am sure you already know.</p>
<p>Bless you. You not only made me laugh with your assertion that some people who work full time also find time to rake leaves, walk the dog and give blood <g>, but you also reassured me about the importance (or lack thereof) of non-musical theater extra curriculars on a student's resume/college app. I am baffled as to where kids find the time to do schoolwork/homework, take dance, voice and acting classes, participate in community theater <em>and</em> serve meals at the local soup kitchen. My D has talked about finding an arts program that serves underprivileged kids and volunteering with them (this is something she would <em>really</em> like to do, and not for the resume value ... but because she thinks that the arts are important and even healing ...) but I don't know where she would fit it in! </g></p>
<p>In any case, thanks once again to all of you here. You are a great group. Each time I visit this forum (which is getting to be more and more lately!) I think how nice it would be if we all lived nearby and could sit down together for coffee or tea and just talk!</p>
<p>I guess we will have to settle for this Internet "cafe" ....</p>
<p>draMOMMAqueen, I did want to "talk" to you. I had cleared out a spot in the PM's to write you and for you to write back, since your e-mail was not activated. My PM's got filled up again before I heard back from you. I will go in again and try to clear out a couple of them.</p>
<p>In the meantime, my preference is an e-mail - if you can click on my name and select from the drop down menu to send me an e-mail, that would be great!</p>
<p>Need a class of 55-60: 12 MT, 12 Acting, 5-8 design, 5-8 tech, 5-8 management, 12-15 BA Drama. </p>
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<p>My calculations:
Since there are more females that apply to MT than males, if we assume the 500 applicants to MT are, say, 350 female: 150 male; and if we also assume that Ithaca hopes for balanced genders in each class (I heard they do try for this), then:</p>
<p>6/350 = 1.7% chance of being in MT class for a female applicant
6/150 = 4% chance of being in MT class for a male applicant</p>
<p>It's tempting to do the same for Acting, except that MT applicants can also be considered for acting, and I don't know how many of the MT applicants are. If half of the MT applicants also are considered for Acting, that means 500 applicants are also going for Acting so the odds are about the same. </p>
<p>Hey, the odds might be grim, but chrism, I am SO IMPRESSED with your math skills! I'm a middle/high school math teacher, and your calculations are RIGHT ON. (Unfortunately, I guess...lol...hang in there, all you auditioners!! SOMEONE has to get in!) Also, as was mentioned many times before, many people who are offered admission are offered admission to OTHER schools; they can only pick one! So the odds go up, at least a little bit. Let's say they're offered admission to 4 schools. That means 3 out of 4 schools they're NOT attending. Hmmmm, so instead of 12 MT offers, they only have about 4 who actually commit. So they can make about 8 more offers....and of THOSE 8, not all commit. Gets pretty complicated, even for a Calculus teacher....:)</p>
<p>Hey Rossji, thanks! But I know from experience that being on the waitlist for MT means "close but no cigar" since so few programs actually take students off a waiting list! In fact, I'd LOVE to know if ANYONE put on a waiting list for MT ultimately got in last year or the year before. Anyone know?</p>
<p>Also keep in mind, that if they want a yield of 12, for instance, they're going to accept more than 12 students, as not everyone will accept their offer. One question you might want to ask Ithaca about is the yield. It's probably more important at a school like Ithaca than at some others. So although that doesn't increase the odds greatly, it does a tiny bit! :)</p>
<p>Edited to add that not many of these schools have waitlists but they DO make offers to more kids than they plan to enroll, thus the importance of yield. Many of these kids who apply to 8-10 (my D knows of a very talented young lady who is auditioning for 16!!! schools, which in my opinion, is a little crazy) will be accepted at more than one, some at several, as we've seen in the past here on CC. Susan's D was a good example last year of a student who had many options but she could only accept one so those schools which accepted her could possibly have ended up taking someone else in her place. There's no question that the odds are very difficult but it's best not to get too discouraged too early!</p>
<p>this year i think there are 17 MTs at ithaca, not 12. the reason there are more is because they usually extend about 20 offers of admission expecting 12 to respond with a yes - and there's no waitlist. this year, more responded with a "yes" than they expected.</p>
<p>I'm a freshman MT at Ithaca, and this year we have 15, which is the most we've had in a long time. They accepted 32 for MT, and slightly less than half decided to come. If anyone has any questions about the program at IC, just ask!</p>
<p>As was already pointed out by RossJi and AlwayaMom, when talking about admit rates, you have to talk of how many they actually admit of those who audition, not how many slots are available or how many enroll. Most schools admit more kids than slots available because not everyone will take the offer. So, when you come up with the admit rate, the two figures you need to use are how many auditions and how many they ACCEPTED to actually yield that class of 12 slots. I don't know how many offers went out though sporti says 20 did. It sure is still a low admit rate as are many of these programs but that is the figure to use, not the 12 available slots. </p>
<p>Just in my little circle of my D's friends.....she got into Ithaca, another theater friend from VT did too, and a good theater friend from her theater camp did as well. Those are three kids that I know who got into the MT BFA at Ithaca last spring who did not choose to take the offer. She went to NYU, the VT girl went to Emerson, and the camp friend chose UMich. That's three and I don't know THAT many people. Still, my D felt very honored to be accepted from that large pool for a fairly small class and to get a significant scholarship (which I know her camp friend did too) and it was her first acceptance and she learned of it when in NYC right after her NYU audition finished. </p>
<p>Like AlwaysAMom wrote, I know a bunch of kids last year holding several acceptances and they can only go to one (shucks as so many seem so good). That opens it up for others in line, thankfully.</p>
<p>Actor, I had not seen your post when I posted above but thank you for the actual numbers this year at Ithaca. I hope you are loving it. My D has a good friend from VT, a male, who is a freshman there and I am sure you have met and so tell him that Susan from Vermont sends her best. His name starts with an N.</p>
<p>I am loving it, it's absolutely wonderful. And for some reason I had a feeling that your daughter would know him, I don't know why, haha. Maybe I figured VT's not that small of a state, and theater kids always know other theater kids.</p>
<p>I'm so glad to hear that you are loving it as I remember you from the forum last year going through all the auditions and I love hearing how it all turned out. Yes, we live in a small state and my D does know theater kids from a wide span in this region and with whom she did not go to school. Even her roommate at NYU/Tisch/CAP is such a friend and in fact, ALSO friends with N. from your school. When my D was 10, she met N. when she was in a production of Gypsy and she was Baby June and he was one of the older newsboys. They have remained tight friends ever since but never did another show together but did take from the same voice teacher. At their voice recital for seniors going off to college, at the last second, they got up and sang a duet of Wheels of a Dream (when else could they ever get to sing that song?) and his mom and I were teary eyed. They both love musical theater and always talked of all the shows they know and the music. He is actually more than two years older than my D though both are freshman now. She accelerated in school, and then ALSO graduated a year early and so just turned 17. He went away to go to Walnut Hill for two years after his junior year of high school and did WH for two years to have that experience and so they are normally a couple grades apart but very good pals. He and my D auditioned together at Ithaca and I won't forget it. He came with people from WH (was not living in VT as it is a boarding school) and when we got there, there was a session with the head of the program and some current students and we both were thinking, where is N???? We got worried. He arrived after some time and sat next to me and whispered that he realized he had forgotten his dress shoes back at school and had to find a Target open early in the AM and buy a pair. Thank goodness for the shoes as he got in, LOL. (You can now kid him about this story!) We are happy for him. I saw him in Chorus Line this summer along with my D's current college roomie. He's a talented guy but moreover, a really nice person. We'll all have to trade stories the next time we see him. Give him my best! He lives 50 miles from me but it is a small state and we know several kids who were successful in their BFA admissions from this region and they all did some show together at some point in time. </p>