<p>for undergrad business which one is better,
columbia's engineering management systems or cornell's AEM</p>
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<p>From my experience, I don't think it matters which school you go to once it's in a certain tier. I'd look into other factors such as whether or not you would want to live in the NYC or upstate NY. It's really about how motivated you are to do well in school, network, find internships, etc. Since Columbia is in the city, there might be an advantage going there, but there are on campus interviews all the time at Cornell and job fairs.</p>
<p>Cornell will give you more of a well rounded business education (management, marketing, finance, hospitality, economics, etc), and i'm sure you can find many internships through them for the summer, for example. Columbia seems too technical and specific, and I personally feel that the program in SEAS takes the fun out of studying business. You can probably manage to get a job in the financial sector out of Columbia but for practically anything else you'll need an MBA. It depends on how you want to develop your business career but I'd prefer Cornell AEM. With the pace its being lauded, it'll probably make top 5 by the time you graduate.</p>
<p>You may want to check out the latest BusinessWeek ranking:</p>
<p>Although Columbia does not offer an undergrad degree like Cornell's AEM program, it does offer degrees in financial engineering and management. Th school prides themselves on making their students actually think, and then providing a strong technical background. For recruiting, Columbia hands down, but you should find good recruiting at any NYC college or any Ivy other than the tail end (Brown/Cornell). Cornell is just plagued by bad location</p>
<p>yazzz you clearly dont know much about colleges if you're calling cornell the "tail end" of the ivies. thats a common misconception and i'm sure many at this board here can prove unfounded. in terms of location it is not in the best of places, however, its ivy league status and the holistic business education given at AEM attracts many big names to campus. AEM's holistic approach to teaching business also better prepares their students for top MBA programs around the country. The Columbia IEOR program is at best sufficient for only the financial sector job offerings.</p>
<p>Seeing as how Cornell has the #2 best business program in the Ivy League I'd say that's more cutting-edge than tail-end. But I guess if sum1 like yazzz is looking at Cornellians from behind, the tail-end would be all he would see... ;) jp jp, had to =D</p>
<p>There seems to be several opportunities for living/working/interning in NYC as part of your undergraduate studies. See <a href="http://www.cornell.edu/visiting/nyc/%5B/url%5D">http://www.cornell.edu/visiting/nyc/</a> for precise info. Ithaca isn't isolated from NYC insofar as recruiting and internship business opportunities are concerned.</p>
<p>I have been misunderstood, I certainly did not mean to insult Cornell, it is most definitely an Ivy, and one of the better ones. By "tail-end" I simply meant that Cornell's reputation is lacking as compared to the others, but personally I feel it is the most well rounded of them all. To say simply that Cornell has the #2 ranked business program and is better than Columbia for it, is foolish. Cornell is not even a close second to UPENN. Looking at the rankings, Cornell comes in at #10 behind some unsuspecting universities like BYU. When it comes to business, employers with high turnover rates, like the IB firms, recruit at the top 50 programs. A real show of prestige for a university is to attract the Management Consulting firms like Mckinsey, Booz Allen Hamilton, and Boston Consulting Group, or the hedge funds and even the big private equity firms like Blackstone or Carlyle. These employers almost exclusively recruit from the Ivys, Stanfod, and MIT, but not Cornell or Brown. If you're looking for a simple IB job, you certainly don't need a $40k Cornell AEM degree or a Columbia degree, just go to your state school. But, if you want the prestige look elsewhere, at least for business.
I must admit I am a little biased as I will be attending Columbia's SEAS program!</p>
<p>"These employers almost exclusively recruit from the Ivys, Stanfod, and MIT, but not Cornell or Brown."</p>
<p>ahh cornell and brown are ivy league schools -_- wt?</p>
<p>yazzz you're focusing on a few firms who, while big, are hardly representative of the entire industry. besides, while the graduates of the IEOR program are more limited in terms of the fields they head into. also saying that you can expect the same type of job (same pay/same opportunity for advancement/same position) in the investment banking field with a state school education is pretty ridiculous unless you're from michigan, NC, or if you're talking bout berkley.</p>
<p>Goldman Sachs is the single largest employer of Brown undgrads directly out of college, recruiting > 40 students a year. other IB's like Morgan Stanley, as well as consulting firms such as McKinsey, Bane, etc. also recruit heavily on campus. Just FYi</p>
<p>same pay/same opportunity for advancement/same position are the same for state school students, like that alliteration?! Once, you're hired the employer doesn't care about your school, just your results! My evidence, UW-Madison has the same number of Fortune 500 CEOs as Harvard. And most of the CEOs are relics of the 'ole boy network. IEOR does not have any limits on oppurtunity, A Columbia graduate regardless of major has a plethora of jobs to choose from. 'nough said</p>
<p>dcircle, Brown is recuited by IB, but so is every top 50 school, Mckinsey Booz, and Bcg were the top hiring companies for Columbia grads, also Columbia and Cornell have grad programs, which is a plus for alumni associations and MBA feeders.</p>
<p>im confused, cornell ILR or Hotel
how about an Economics degree from the CAS?</p>
<p>I heard from a friend who is graduating this year from Cornell and majored in economics said it was kind of useless because the theories are out-of-date. </p>
<p>I don't know too much. But he didn't land in a job that he would've liked to. </p>
<p>I think AEM is recruited faster than CAS Econ.</p>
<p>the AEM major is in the CALS</p>
<p>What's the best then?</p>
<p>Hotel
ILR
CALS (AEM)
CAS Econ.</p>
<p>I got into Cornell CAS 2011. How hard is it to get an internal transfer from one Cornell undergrad college to another (such as CAS to ILR or CALS or Hotel)</p>