UBP at Cornell

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<p>This question is directed towards any current student in the Undergraduate Business Program at Cornell:</p>

<p>How exactly is this program at Cornell? How are the classes?
I see that the Undergraduate Business Program is just a subsidiary of the Applied Economics and Management program in the agricultural school, does this make the program less rigorous or supposedly not up to par with what an ivy league program is perceived to be most people? How is this program compared to other top schools' UBPs.</p>

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<p>Penn dreamer:</p>

<p>I have to be honest with you - a few things stick out in your post that really indicate that you are turned off by Cornell's business program. Besides the obvious one, your s/name, you say it is "JUST a subsidiary" and not up to par with ivy as perceived by people. While I'm not familiar enough with the program to answer your questions, I'm not sure what anyone can say to change your mind.</p>

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<p>I'm seriously considering Wharton but I need another school as a safety.</p>

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<p>^^ hahaha I'm sorry but that just cracked me up</p>

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<p>Looking at your stats, AEM would hardly be a safety for you.</p>

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<p>Okay let me reword that. I'm looking for another top school in order to increase my chances of getting into a top school.</p>

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If I watched all the pigs in Indiana I don't think any of them would fly.</p>

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<p>it's very difficult to get into, and if do good in anything at Cornell you're going to get a well paid and placed job. Also, try and choose a more neutral screenname, it kind of annoys people who are not in the Penn forum.</p>

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<p>Just so you know, everyone here (with the exception of dooit--I'm not sure what you are) is an incoming freshman/current student. So there goes that theory. And our responses hereafter must be pretty valuable as flying fart must be really rare (I've never seen any before...).</p>

<p>Anyway, to answer your question, AEM is at least as good as if not better than any undergrad business program with the exception of Wharton. You can't compare one type of program to another in terms of rigor, so you can't really say that AEM is/is not up to part with what Ivy League programs should be. If you really care about the specifics, there are several posters here that are in AEM; AJKates comes to mind.</p>

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<p>Okay I'm sorry for the statement posted earlier because I was annoyed by the responses I got. I didn't mean to seem pompous although I unintentionally did. I categorized Cornell as a safety school and this might have ticked off some Cornell students after viewing my stats. All I wanted to know was how the Undergraduate Business Program is at Cornell, not my chances of getting into Cornell.</p>

<p>Again, I'm sorry I snapped.</p>

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<p>We may sound like jackasses compared to the penn people, but that's because of what you said to us. I recommend starting a new thread with a fresh start.</p>

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<p>Yea, Cornell UBM (or AEM) is really good, however, it does not rank as high as Wharton because it is relatively new, sort of like the Yale Business School. However, the AEM program is essentially a thorough study of business, finance, managment (essentially what one would expect in a UBM program). There is no lack of quality because it's in the Ag School, in fact the Ag School is one of the best at what it does (aka bio, chem, pre-med, agriculture, etc...). Essentially, even though it's not technically endowed by Cornell, it's Ivy League material, as are the kids at Cornell. Also, our 230,000 alumni base doesn't hurt. GO BIG RED!!! However, getting into AEM is very tough, as you have to go against New York kids, a lot of whom want to study business, and a lot of other kids from around the states and abroad. By no means, however, does this mean that is the only pathway toward business. There is after all econ/finance in the College of Arts and Sciences, or the Operations Research Engineering major in the College of Engineering. Also, some Hotel kids even go into business/economics. However, if you jack up that SAT score, and get into Wharton then go there, because no school in whole world compares to Wharton for undergrad MBA style program. However, competition at Wharton is ruthless, I would know because one of my friends is a sophomore there this upcoming school year. AEM nurtures you a bit more, it doesn't beat you up like Wharton. Also, undergrad UBM rankings don't matter, as the three best are probably Wharton, Cornell and Notre Dame, mostly due to their alumni base. ( I quote sakky on this: specific program rankings do not matter, only the overall ranking of the university (i.e. prestige) does, thus Cornell and Upenn (Wharton) eaisly outclass everyone else) (Btw if MIT has one I would look on that too, Sloan is just plain awesome, but at MIT the academics really kick you in the ass!)</p>

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<p>Wharton and Cornell are the only two Ivy League schools that offer an AACSB accredited degree (The Association to Advance Collegiate Schools of Business). Wharton is a separate college within Penn and Cornell’s is a program major within the College of Agriculture and Life Sciences at Cornell. I’ve posted a lot of this before, but I cut and pasted the most important points for you in this thread. </p>

<p>As an AEM major you are matriculating in CALS… you are most defiantly an Aggie! It’s not two separate fields; it’s one major under the umbrella of a college that houses many majors, including Communications, which is not generally associated with agriculture either. Being in CALS does not water down your Cornell degree at all. </p>

<p>I’ll try to give you a little history about why business is in CALS. The acronym AEM is fairly new. The business program in CALS has gone through many transformations and many names. I could write a tome on this, but CALS started as the NYS land grant college (Google- The Morrill Act). Farmers attended that College - since farming was a big business in those days, that's how business originated there. The first business program in 1909 was the Departments of Rural Economy and Farm Crops and Farm Management. Over time, the program grew and changed as the population changed. Today, you can still major in Agriculture Economics, but the major that you are inquiring about in AEM is strictly the Business major. </p>

<p>Here’s an informative quote from Department Chair, William Lesser:

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Today our programs include long-standing emphases in agricultural economics, environmental and resource economics, international development economics, international trade, and agribusiness management. However, we have also moved beyond our historical roots into areas more broadly focused on business, including finance, marketing, strategy, business law, accounting, and organizational theory.

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One of the reasons why AEM has become so competitive to gain admission to is due to the accreditation. Contingent on accreditation, they had to lower the student/faculty ratio. The first year it became accredited, just a few years ago, it was ranked in USNWR and coming in at #14 in undergraduate business programs is great for a first time ranking. I believe it was #12 in the latest issue, and it will probably climb even higher. It is also extremely popular because of its reputation as a strong program in terms of networking, recruiting and of course, top academics. </p>

<p>Although well-intentioned, the statement from the above poster is incorrect
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Essentially, even though it's not technically endowed by Cornell, it's Ivy League material

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Take out the “essentially” and “Ivy League material”. When you graduate from any of Cornell’s 7 undergraduate colleges you are not “Ivy League Material”
You are an Ivy Leaguer…period. </p>

<p>Hope this clarifies some of your questions, and I apologize for the mean-spirited posts on this board. These are usually very nice posters, you just hit a sore spot with your “safety” comment. Take some advice from an old codger – try to study over the summer and take the SATS again in October. You might open up some more opportunities for yourself. Good luck to you.</p>

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<p>Forgot to mention, AEM had a 16% acceptance rate for the class of 2010.</p>

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<p>More misinformation:

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However, getting into AEM is very tough, as you have to go against New York kids, a lot of whom want to study business, and a lot of other kids from around the states and abroad.

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<p>Contract colleges used to give preferences to NY students, but it is no longer the case. I would be that they like to get geographically diverse applicants. </p>

<p><a href="http://talk.collegeconfidential.com...420#post2668420%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://talk.collegeconfidential.com...420#post2668420&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>To the OP: I have an undergraduate business degree from Cornell and my MBA from Wharton. I had wonderful experiences at both universities.</p>

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<p>I know several people in AEM, and they all love it. Great classes, professors, lots of in-department pride. It's worth applying to and worth visiting the campus to check it out as well.</p>

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<p>I hate to be mean, or to come across like an ass, but you guys are spending a lot of time and effort talking about the program and....well, do you really think this kid has a shot with 3 AP's and an 1800? I think he's going to have to keep on "dreaming", whether it's Wharton or AEM....</p>

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<p>Nagromis, what a smart post! You concisely explained why AEM is in CALS and took tons of prospective students out of the dark!</p>

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<p>You see, it's because of people like perro406 that I get ticked off at times. If you have no positive contributions at all to the topic then do not contribute at all.</p>

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<p>It's not only as good as it gets, but it's also better than you can get!</p>