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Yes, except that Stern has higher incoming gpa and students, Columbia clearly is better. I take it you are what, 14 years old?
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<p>And they STILL couldn't get into Penn's Wharton school :P</p>
<p>I for one find if mind-boggling that any undergrad would even consider NYU over Columbia.</p>
<p>Columbia2007, which university can't learn stuff from its peers? You talk about stuff that CU could learn from NYU, but an institution does not have to be perfect to be better than another one. So in the end, the one that's closer to perfection is clearly better than the one that's farther away from perfection.
Just as JohnnyK, I find it mind-boggling that one would consider NYU over Columbia. There are different degrees of excellence, and CU and NYU are clearly on different levels.</p>
<p>I explicitly said that by most accounts, Columbia is a "better" school. I was simply responding to vesalvay's assertion that NYU was somehow virtually worthless.</p>
<p>Hm... well he did say that he was using exaggeration to make his point and to get NYU students angry, so he doesn't really think that NYU is worthless. Some ppl in here probably just pushed his button by inflating NYU's image.</p>
<p>Goodness no. Not worthless. Just <em>relatively</em> incomparable. :D</p>
<p>I'm sure honors students at NYU compare favorably with Columbia kids. As do the honors seminars.</p>
<p>Stern is pretty good for finance. Equal with Columbia. But it's not comparable in anything else besides Tisch.</p>
<p>Isn't Columbia more science-based though? Some students didn't consider Columbia because of that reason. And I much prefer NYU's open campus to Columbia's "museum."</p>
<p>Alright, Cornell probably is overall better than NYU (many would say in prestige just because of that superficial "Ivy League" slapped onto it), but definitely not in all aspects.</p>
<p>NYU vs. Columbia ey....</p>
<p>On the undergrad level, I don't think the two are comparable. Unless you are hellbent on art (Tisch) or business (Stern), Columbia is the clear choice. </p>
<p>However, people often get confused when comparing schools. If one is comparing the entire universities against each other there is no clear winner as NYU has some amazing graduate and professional programs that rival or top Columbia's. </p>
<p>Overall, I do feel Columbia is the better university, though NYU is really moving up as a top university; I don't feel the same way though when one is merely referring to the undergraduate programs.</p>
<p>"Isn't Columbia more science-based though?"</p>
<p>Oh yes, you're right. That's probably why our English department rocks and why we all read so much ancient literature. </p>
<p>"And I much prefer NYU's open campus"</p>
<p>There is no campus.</p>
<p>The student bodies at either school are entirely different. Personality wise, by this comparison, NYU probably has more in common with the other local institutions such as CUNY-Hunter, Pace, Baruch, FIT etc etc.</p>
<p>For those of you who insist on comparing the academics at NYU to Columbia, keep in mind that programs such as Stern, Tisch, etc are only a handful of majors out of nearly 200 of those offered by both institutions. At the undergrad level, appearently the only majors even remotely comparable is the business program (not offered at Columbia), Tisch, Economics and possibly Philosophy. And even in the later, i'd say that Columbia runs the table albeit only marginally.</p>
<p>All in all, I think that if you chose Columbia over NYU-- for whatever reason then you probably made a better investment.</p>
<p>From Bwog:</p>
<p>Whatever you may think of Columbia Student Councils, at least they're reasonably clean. In comparison to NYU, almost anything would be--the College of Arts and Sciences is currently in the midst of a special election after the news broke that outgoing president Meredith Dolgin (whom Gawker called a "pompous ass"), having installed herself as head of a three-member election committee, fixed the race in favor of one candidate. Dolgin has also been accused of embezzling funds, including $2,200 for her grandmother to speak at the school. The Washington Square News gleefully reports on the scandal.</p>
<p>lol... did she really gave this much money to her gandma? This is embarrassing NYU.</p>
<p>guys, 80% of this thread was 8 months old before Xanthom decided to bump it to start another yelling match.</p>
<p>Be better than that. I have little hope for JohnnyK but the rest of you, c'mon. Especially you, Vesalvay... trash-talking other schools is a sign of insecurity. </p>
<p>There's lots to like about NYU, starting with its neighborhood. There's lots to dislike about NYU, starting with its "campus". Specialized schools like Tisch or undergraduate programs like what undergrads can do at Stern have no equivalent at Columbia. That doesn't mean you can't get exactly what you want at Columbia, it means the structure is different.</p>
<p>Now let's all get back to talking about Columbia rather than trying to insult someone else's school.</p>
<p>I will not stand for these ad-hominem attacks...</p>
<p>...fatty.</p>
<p>Nah, I'm not being insecure - I just love Columbia :P and when I was searching through colleges for applying, I looked at NYU, and nothing more. So it's not even a Columbia-NYU thing for me because I never even thought of applying there. </p>
<p>But fine, I know NYU is a great school, and yes I've heard many a good thing about Tisch and Stern etc. and if you do look at my posts, I'm purposely trying to exaggerate eg. the dust on the alma mater lol</p>
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<p>I have not found this to be true. If anything, NYU's student body skews slightly more hipster and "art school," but it's more like Columbia than the CUNY schools mentioned, or Pace, primarily because of the socioeconomic status and primarily suburban background of their students, which are roughly equivalent.</p>
<p>You people. You people are adults or close to being adults and are arguing over something completely meaningless to everyone else but you and your ego. It's funny.</p>
<p>I agree, Columbia is a better "package" overall, but that's just the overall perspective of it. For one thing, Columbia is a friggin IVY LEAGUE. Obviously it's going to be more reputable and revered. I chose NYU over Columbia, Carnegie Mellon, and Cornell. Why? Because my passion and intended major is art. To me, the quality of my ART education is far more important than reputation or whatever. Columbia has a great science and english department. That's great, but does that help me? No. People go to different universities for different reasons. I like NYU for its prestigious art programs, location, and opportunities. You really can't be in a better location for the arts than in Greenwich. Definitely for business and art, NYU is a serious contender if not the winner. </p>
<p>Here's a funny analogy. Let's say NYU is a hamburger and Columbia is a salad. Obviously a fat person with diabetes and heart problems shouldn't eat a hamburger because they can't handle it and will probably complain about it at the expense of others. I, however, am skinny and can handle a burger. I could eat the salad if I want to, it's probably better for me, but I would rather eat something I enjoy than something boring and not to my liking. Nyu is for me, not Columbia. Just like Columbia is for others and not NYU.</p>
<p>And for people who don't like the NYU atmosphere, a lot of them are from out of state and misinterpret life in the village from shows like Sex And The City and Friends. NYU isn't for everyone. Neither is Columbia. I still respect Columbia, it is a great place to go to college. </p>
<p>Bottom line is, both are great in their own ways. </p>
<p>Let's worry about the war.</p>
<p>"Columbia is a friggin IVY LEAGUE. Obviously it's going to be more reputable and revered."</p>
<p>That's prob one of the worst arguments I've heard.</p>
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<p>1) It has a direct implication on how happy people are at college. The "type" of student has real meaning and real distinctions, and the atmosphere and intensity will fit different people differently.</p>
<p>2) It has an implication on how productive people are at college, and how motivated they are / how hard they work. If their personal preferences and talents line up with the specialties of the school, they will get more out of the education. That's why they're asking the freaking question.</p>
<p>3) And why do we care? As graduates, the brand name value of the school we attended has a subtle but noticeable implication on the respect and opportunities we have after graduation. Harvard's reputation grows the farther you get from Cambridge. Columbia's diminishes. To the extent this can be changed, it has value for me and all future Columbia grads.</p>