<p>We aren't talking Stern here quaker. Eternity you made a HUGE flaw in your reasoning! Since when is Cornell NYU's equivalent?????????? </p>
<p>Columbia > Cornell (except engineering) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>NYU (except specialized programs like Tisch, Stern, Gallatin).</p>
<p>What I meant to say was "Cornell is NYU's equivalent or better". Are you content now? </p>
<p>Was it really that big a deal? I don't see how that's even a flaw. Your being utterly ridiculous. Of all the things in my post, the one thing you can counter-attack is something as minor as that. Or, are you going to go back and keep looking up small errors?</p>
<p>Interesting how you finally start giving credit to Stern just now. After all this trash talking, you finally begin to respect Stern a little more. Changing our mind now are we? </p>
<p>And you still haven't explained the lack of an undergraduate business program for your "prestigious" Columbia. For a school of such reputation and stature, it's interesting how you still lack an undergrad. business program.</p>
<p>Columbia doesnt have undergrd business programs? Are you kidding me? Please tell me that's not true. It's such a big school with a big name...</p>
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We aren't talking Stern here quaker. Eternity you made a HUGE flaw in your reasoning! Since when is Cornell NYU's equivalent?????????? </p>
<p>Columbia > Cornell (except engineering) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>NYU (except specialized programs like Tisch, Stern, Gallatin).
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<p>What do you mean we're not talking Stern? It's part of NYU and you don't just seperate it. That's like me saying, we don't care about Cornell engineering when rating Cornell's overall education. It's a major part of the school and Stern is a significant part of NYU. Everything is taken into account when grading a university.</p>
<p>Yes, we're also going to take into consideration Tisch and Gallatin when comparing NYU.</p>
<p>BTW, while we're at it; Tisch school of arts at NYU is better and more reputable than Columbia's art school. </p>
<p>What are you going to say next? That Columbia doesn't have an undergrad. art program?</p>
<p>In certain sectors, especially vocational fields like film, engineering, and "business" the best schools are often not Ivies whose strength primarily is on well-rounded liberal arts. If I were to try and be a director, I would not pass up NYU, or USC for that matter, for any Ivy. Overall though the Ivy is going to be far and away superior to other schools. A NYU Anthropology major is much less likely going to be able to transition into any field as smoothly as a Columbia Anthropology major. </p>
<p>The only Ivy with a business program is Wharton (Cornell has a AEM major - but its not true business), and the reason for this is simple: Ivies don't need it. Ivy grads tend to get the top business jobs anyway regardless of major, so why start a business program. Businesses recognize that a majority of training is initially on the job - and that Ivy grads tend to excel. I am working in LA this summer for a major producer, and there are 15 undergrad interns here. Of the ones without family connections, 100% are graduates of Ivies. The Ivy mystique means more than the major in most cases.</p>
<p>Anyway, outside of stern and Tisch, I don't see the general college at NYU even close to Columbia. Its almost a ridiculous comparison.</p>
<p>In all honesty, I believe that NYU is a very excellent school, and I highly respect it. It was one of my top choices in the college search process, and I'm sure I would have enjoyed my undergraduate years there. However, to compare any university with another university, one must compare the whole university, rather than just one school, like you said.</p>
<p>NYU is known for having a huge chunk of faculty that just aren't good teachers, for having a laughable core curriculum, and for having student suicides. Also, their student-faculty ratio is lacking. Even if you compare just the undergraduate half of NYU Stern (which has a nicer student/faculty ratio than other NYU schools) with Columbia's equivalent (a bachelor's in the mathematical or physical sciences with the liberal arts base), you'll see that there is no comparison. From NYU Stern's viewbook and website itself, I've found that there are over 200 faculty members and 2265 undergraduate students at NYU Stern. Granted, some of the faculty will not teach undergraduates, but even if I count all of the faculty, I'll still get a student/faculty ratio of about 10:1. Columbia, on the other hand, boasts a student/faculty ratio of 2:1 in the mathematical and physical sciences, and a ratio of 7:1 in other areas, such as philosophy. The student/faculty ratio is only one way that Columbia outshines NYU, but it's an important one because it represents the (relative) amount of attention the students receive. That said, I still honestly believe that NYU is an incredible school, and it is tough for me to bash it.</p>
<p>Eternity_hope:</p>
<p>For you to go on a tirade and heckle a certain user's account name, that's pretty "pathetic." It is so clear that whenever you try to counterattack Columbia's superiority you always bring up NYU's business school and the art school--fine. Stern and Tisch are excellent schools, but I thought we were talking about the college as whole--right? In that case, it is not only evident, but more probable that a graduate from Columbia would be more likely to get a job over a NYU student; it's simply prestige. Of course, there are other factors: how well the student applies himself at the college, his/her grades, and what he/she has accomplished there. Enough said.</p>
<p>Second, it's not like I wouldn't want to go to NYU anyway; it has a lot to offer, but even though I came off strong in my other argument, Columbia still holds its own.</p>
<p>OK? I'm twelve and "naive"..</p>
<p>and your twenty, a b**ch, and pretentious.</p>
<p>(considering that I'm going through the application process now?)</p>
<p>to the OP- why dont you visit both if you can and decide for yourself</p>
<p>Unless NYU is giving you a full scholarship, then there's really no comparison.</p>
<p>How's the social life at Columbia compared to the social scene at NYU?</p>
<p>i notice people look better at NYU... hotter people in general...and NYU is greenwich..........but columbia kids are cooler and smarter huzzzzah!</p>
<p>thats the dumbest thing ive ever heard. ever.</p>
<p>laloopie, how old are you?</p>
<p>Since when is anorexia "hot?"</p>
<p><em>cough</em>Olsen twins <em>cough</em></p>
<p>See this post for a more reasoned comparison of the two schools, instead of flame wars and idiotic posts on both sides. Honestly people, both schools have their strengths and weaknesses, but we're all in New York together, can't we just get along?</p>
<p>Anyone noticed the OP spelled Columbia wrong?? Colubmia.... You people are getting played :-O</p>
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We aren't talking Stern here quaker. Eternity you made a HUGE flaw in your reasoning! Since when is Cornell NYU's equivalent??????????</p>
<p>Columbia > Cornell (except engineering) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>NYU (except specialized programs like Tisch, Stern, Gallatin).
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<p>Wow, talk about exaggeration. Cornell isn't that much better than NYU, if better at all.</p>
<p>This whole thread is pointless. Utterly pointless. Hands-down, pants-down, everything-down, Columbia University kicks NYUs whimpy as$. </p>
<p>And just to really exaggerate and get some NYU-indignants angry - NYU is the dirt that accumulates on Columbia's Alma Mater on the steps of Low Memorial Library.</p>
<p>Cornel is definitely better than NYU. Nowadays, may too many schools proclaim themselves as "top" colleges.</p>
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This whole thread is pointless. Utterly pointless. Hands-down, pants-down, everything-down, Columbia University kicks NYUs whimpy as$. </p>
<p>And just to really exaggerate and get some NYU-indignants angry - NYU is the dirt that accumulates on Columbia's Alma Mater on the steps of Low Memorial Library.
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<p>Not to rain on your parade, but I've been at Columbia for four years and, before transferring here, my girlfriend was at NYU for two. Columbia could certainly learn a few things from its downtown peer. NYU's bureaucracy is far less torturous to navigate, it freely spends on student amenities like dorms and group funding, it has multiple dining halls with different options (in an area of the city with far more dining options than Morningside), its dining dollars equivalent is actually usable in local dining facilities if one gets sick of said dining halls but doesn't want to pay cash, it regularly puts out huge amounts of money to attract renowned scholars from "better" universities, its Philosophy and French departments are unsurpassed, it has an undergraduate business school that regularly competes with Ivy League schools for cross-admits, and is considered, currently, the number one "dream school" in America.</p>
<p>Is it the school for me? No. Has it ever been "better" than Columbia "overall"? Probably not. But it can't be brushed off or demeaned entirely. It's probably up-and-coming faster than any US university right now.</p>