<p>yeah - i know what unis quote, perhaps because i know more about admissions than you do. are you an admissions officer? otherwise sit down. i know what columbia/penn/brown use and what pton has used in the past. but that’s just my folly for paying attention.</p>
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<p>admissionsgeek, I am sorry but I never said this…if you can find where I said this then please copy/paste the exact language, otherwise you have been found to have posted yet another lie…</p>
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<p>admissionsgeek, why lie?</p>
<p>you don’t know who I am so why in the world would you EVER say that you know more about admissions than me…</p>
<p>just the fact that you are quoting USNWR and not directly from the colleges themselves shows a bit about your knowledge of the admissions data.</p>
<p>lets start with one college: Princeton</p>
<p>find the initial acceptance rate quoted by Princeton</p>
<p>then</p>
<p>find the final acceptance rate quoted by Princeton after all kids were admitted from the waiting list</p>
<p>are they different?</p>
<p>according to you only the first acceptance rate would be used, yet if you look at all the references to Princeton’s acceptance rate you would find that it refers to the acceptance rate AFTER ALL WAITLIST KIDS ARE ADMITTED - this is the acceptance rate for Princeton that will be used for the next 100 years and not the initial acceptance rate that you claim (without the waitlist kids taken into account)…</p>
<p>I will be waiting for your figures…</p>
<p>you quoted columbia’s admit rate at 8.5-9.5%, did you not? prove that you didn’t?</p>
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<p>admissionsgeek, why lie again?</p>
<p>seriously guy, why lie?</p>
<p>the beauty of message boards is that you can copy/paste and prove your point. Please copy/paste where I said what you claim I said…you can’t because I never said that…</p>
<p>geesh, this is getting embarrassing for you…</p>
<p>so princeton, inclusive of waitlist activity admitted 9.93% to columbia’s 9.82 (as cu didn’t go to the waitlist that year).</p>
<p>yet most places will quote 9.79%</p>
<p>[Admission</a> rate rises to 9.79 percent for Class of 2013 - The Daily Princetonian<a href=“2009%20for%20class%20of%202013”>/url</a></p>
<p>[url=<a href=“Princeton makes offers to 8.18 percent of applicants, strengthens aid”>Princeton makes offers to 8.18 percent of applicants, strengthens aid]Princeton</a> University - Princeton makes offers to 8.18 percent of applicants, strengthens aid<a href=“2010%20showing%20class%20of%202013”>/url</a>
[url=<a href=“The half opened door - Marcia Graham Synnott - Google Books”>The half opened door - Marcia Graham Synnott - Google Books]The</a> Half-Opened Door: Discrimination … - Google Books](<a href=“http://www.dailyprincetonian.com/2009/04/01/23213/]Admission”>http://www.dailyprincetonian.com/2009/04/01/23213/)</p>
<p>[url=<a href=“http://www.hernandezcollegeconsulting.com/ivy-league-admission-statistics-2013/]Ivy”>http://www.hernandezcollegeconsulting.com/ivy-league-admission-statistics-2013/]Ivy</a> League Admission Statistics for Class of 2013 Hernandez College Consulting, Inc. and Ivy League Admission Help<a href=“only%20place%20to%20quote%20the%20official%20number%20of%209.93,%20but%20hernandez%20consulting%20is%20known%20to%20not%20follow%20official%20numbers%20by%20schools”>/url</a>.</p>
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<p>admissionsgeek, geesh please tell me that you really didn’t just say this?</p>
<p>are you really asking me to PROVE AN EVENT THAT DID NOT OCCUR?</p>
<p>are you really asking me to do this?</p>
<p>okay:</p>
<p>“slicebread, Columbia’s final acceptance rate for the class of 2015 will not drop to anywhere near the 6.9% level. It will range in the 8.5-9.5% level as they will find out that, due to the use of the Common Application for the first time, many HYPSM applicants who didn’t apply to Columbia previously now applied to Columbia this year - forcing Columbia’s yield to drop and thereby pushing Columbia into having to admit more students than previous years…hence the 8.5-9.5% level for the acceptance rate.”</p>
<p>admissionsgeek SERIOUSLY?</p>
<p>YOU ARE NOW MIXING CLASS OF 2013 AND 2014 FIGURES FOR PRINCETON IN THE SAME CONTEXT TO PROVE YOUR POINT?</p>
<p><a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/12062008-post166.html[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/12062008-post166.html</a></p>
<p>are you serious?</p>
<p>do you really have any idea of how silly your are looking here?</p>
<p>geesh!</p>
<p>i know how silly i look, you know why? because i aint looking silly at all. continue…on your fake rant.</p>
<p>admissionsgeek, I will make it simple for your. This is your post that includes my quote:</p>
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<p>Now please show me where I state that the Columbia acceptance rate is 8-5-9.5% in the text above. You can’t because I never said it and the text above proves that I never said it.</p>
<p>truly truly amazing!</p>
<p>“Columbia’s final acceptance rate for the class of 2015 will not drop to anywhere near the 6.9% level. It will range in the 8.5-9.5% level as they will find out that”</p>
<p>show me how to read your english. evidently, i should have taken more than 12 years of classes on grammar to learn how to understand that the ‘it’ you are referring to is not ‘columbia.’</p>
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<p>so admissionsgeek, when you mix class of 2013 with 2014 figures before and after waitlist, yet the correct way is to look at the same year for before and after waitlist, are you sure that you aren’t looking silly here?</p>
<p>geesh, this is getting stranger and stranger</p>
<p>oh, wait you must be from Columbia…okay, I get in now</p>
<p>nevermind</p>
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<p>admissiongeek how convenient that you drop that last part of my post…again, please tell me where I state that Columbia’s acceptance rate is 8.5-9.5% here:</p>
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<p>the fact is that you can’t because I am giving my opinion, that based on the information that I stated, Columbia’s acceptance rate rate could fall in that range.</p>
<p>no where, and I mean no where did I state that Columbia’s acceptance rate was 8.5-9.5%…</p>
<p>but wait, you are a Columbia student…never mind…</p>
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<p>admissionsgeek, is there something wrong with you?</p>
<p>Princeton’s acceptance rate was not 9.93% this year…maybe if you took the time to review Princeton’s Common Data Set for the fall 2010 entering class (class of 2014) you would understand this:</p>
<p><a href=“http://registrar.princeton.edu/university_enrollment_sta/common_cds2010.pdf[/url]”>http://registrar.princeton.edu/university_enrollment_sta/common_cds2010.pdf</a></p>
<p>next, are you sure that Columbia did not let any students in this year from the Waiting List?</p>
<p>hiint: does the number “75” sound familiar?</p>
<p>i am talking about for the class of 2013. was that clear? i used that year because it was the year that columbia was on april 1, 2009 at 9.82 to princeton’s 9.79. princeton went to the waitlist and cu did not. meaning that cu had a lower admit rate (after waitlist activity), but no one mentions this in the press or anywhere.</p>
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<p>columbia’s admitted rate COULD NOT fall to the range of 8.5-9.5% it would require columbia having a yield in regular decision of 38% compared to its normal 58% yield. it would require such a world that stating it is impossible.</p>
<p>to cite figures.</p>
<p>columbia admits ~2400 students past two years, i’d say that is predictable for its class size of 1400-1450 students. ~1800 are admitted regular. ~1800 are CC admits, ~600 are SEAS admits, total.</p>
<p>for columbia for the class of 2015 to have an 8.5% admit rate inclusive of waitlist activity (a number that only boring hacks in institutional research offices use, and not used by folks like COFHE, journals like JBHE, CHE).</p>
<p>at 34,587 undergrads if columbia admits regular 2400, it will have an admit rate of 6.94%. if columbia goes to the waitlist for 100 students (the most it has ever gone to the waitlist was in 2008 (class of 2012) was for 130 students), its admit rate would be 7.23% inclusive of waitlist activity (still lower than yale). if columbia equals its worst yield (as in worst predicted yield) it would admit 130 during waitlist and thereby have an admit rate of 7.31% inclusive of waitlist activity. </p>
<p>if columbia has the worst year ever, and therefore has 260 spots open in the class (or twice its worst predicted yield ever), it would admit a total of 2660/34587 = 7.69%.</p>
<p>if columbia has its worst worst year ever, or after the 600 students that are already in the class in early (or approximately 900 spots open in regular) it would require for columbia to have an 8.5% admit rate inclusive of wait list activity that only (out of the 1800 regular admits) 300 students accept the offer. if 300 students accept the offer of admission (leaving 500 spots still left to fill in the class) columbia’s yield after regular would be 900/2400 total admits, or ~38%. columbia has been around 55-60% for the better part of the last decade. </p>
<p>your scenario is so impossible, that it is laughable that you don’t realize it so. but yes, if columbia admits a total of 2900/34587 = 8.38% or close to your 8.5% number.</p>
<p>Onecircuit, you argued that due to Columbia’s yield falling drastically, the admissions rate for the Class of 2015 will not be 6.9% as others have calculated, but 8.5-9.5%. Adgeek, Conncoll, myself, and even The Daily Beast believe that is very unlikely, but you are entitled to your opinion. But that is your opinion; you’ve stated it. If you would like to amend, do so, but don’t claim that you didn’t say it. The record shows you think Columbia’s yield will decrease to the point that the admissions rate for 2015 will be above 8.5%. Maybe you’ll be right!</p>
<p>Lets take a look at what kind of yield is needed for Columbia University to obtain the same number of students for Class of 2015 as it has for Class of 2014, namely 1,422 Freshmen, based on a total of 34,587 applications and different acceptance rates:</p>
<p>Applications–Acceptances–Acceptance Rate–Enrolled-Yield
34,587–2,398–6.90%–1,422–59.3%
34,587–2,594–7.50%–1,422–54.8%
34,587–2,940–8.50%–1,422–48.4%
34,587–3,168–9.16%–1,422–44.9%
34,587–3,286–9.50%–1,422–43.3%</p>
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According to Columbia, Class of 2014 acceptance rate = 9.16% and yield = 59.3%</p>
<p>and your point onecircuit?</p>
<p>further - yield is calculated using the number of actual regular students admitted and those that accept, usually, but there are some folks that will calculate and use the total yield inclusive of waitlist activity. but the one flaw would be the presumption then is that yield on waitlist students would be 100%. i didn’t include waitlist activity, hence how i got to my 38% number instead of the 48.4% number you list. i was asking, myself, how low would the yield have to be for you to need to admit another 500 students. when you ask a different question, you get a different number.</p>
<p>but i still don’t get how you think your scenario - columbia admitting between 500 and 800 more students - is a reasonable estimate.</p>
<p>i will concede here that i should’ve been more forthright with clarifying that i was excluding waitlist numbers because it is just SOP to do so.</p>