<p>And for something positive and more representative of the Columbia community so many of us love. Vote!</p>
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<p>Columbia v. Princeton?</p>
<p>Columbia has been improving, but</p>
<p>Seriously?</p>
<p>There is nothing to debate</p>
<p>Nothing!</p>
<p>onecircuit - your comprehensiveness is truly appreciated.</p>
<p>interesting article for the columbia - bureaucracy haters </p>
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<p>I am a graduate of Columbia undergrad and Dartmouth Medical School. I spent four years on both campuses and have many friends at both institutions.</p>
<p>Both are great schools. They are very different. There is no question that Dartmouth provides a more traditional college experience. Likewise, there is no question that Columbia has a more diverse and sophisticated student body. </p>
<p>Other Ivy League schools talk a great diversity game. Don’t believe them. Columbia is one of the few Ivy’s that is very diverse. This diversity comes from the combined undergrad, graduate and General Studies programs.</p>
<p>Choose the school you want based on the experience you want and you will be very happy.</p>
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<p>dochouse, I could see “more diverse” but please explain to us why you are saying that Columbia undergraduates are more “sophisticated” than Darmouth undergraduates.</p>
<p>thanks</p>
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<p>lol. love the title. =)</p>
<p>slicebread, Columbia’s final acceptance rate for the class of 2015 will not drop to anywhere near the 6.9% level. It will range in the 8.5-9.5% level as they will find out that, due to the use of the Common Application for the first time, many HYPSM applicants who didn’t apply to Columbia previously now applied to Columbia this year - forcing Columbia’s yield to drop and thereby pushing Columbia into having to admit more students than previous years…hence the 8.5-9.5% level for the acceptance rate.</p>
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<p>i highly doubt that.
several schools (columbia, hypsm and especially duke) keep several students on the waitlist in anticipation of fluctuating yields.
waitlist numbers are not in any way used to reflect the admission rate as such. (weird? i know…but thats the way it is)
admissions rate can only really increase if columbia chooses to increase its class size. </p>
<p>furthermore…waitlist numbers can run into several hundreds, maybe thousands (just look at duke’s waitlist numbers from last year!) and can more than compensate for a slight and surely even a major drop in yield. will columbia put more people on the waitlist? probably/maybe</p>
<p>having said that though, i dont see columbia’a yield decreasing. sure, the commonapp was a major factor in more people easily applying to columbia. but lets not undermine the fact that columbia has also had a great year!! (manhattanville, noco building, better stats, us news rank 4 etc etc) things which do garner a lot of positive attention. </p>
<p>i wouldnt be surprised if a few more people chose columbia over a princeton/yale/stanford (harvard still unlikely) than before. :)</p>
<p>@onecircuit, Columbia’s yield might actually go Up because of usnews. its pretty much a guarantee that Columbia’s acceptance rate will end at 7.5% or under this year. in order to hit 8.5% they’d need to take over 500 people off the waitlist, so your estimation is completely off.</p>
<p>in terms of acceptance rate, Princeton has been relegated to 4th in the ivies this year, nothing is going to change that, it’s no wonder they’re scrambling to reinstate EA.</p>
<p>a) admissions folks do a lot of predictive modeling about what might occur, so they have a good idea of what to expect and average decreases in going to the common app.</p>
<p>b) admissions wouldn’t ‘pre-admit’ students based on fear of how the common app would work out, but probably would be conservative and plan to take kids off the waitlist</p>
<p>c) admit data never includes waitlist activity, just the standard of practice</p>
<p>d) needing to admit 500 kids off the waitlist would be so absurd (it would mean that of the kids admitted regular only 300 students accepted offers) that it is a silly thought onecircuit.</p>
<p>e) a better prediction would be that columbia admits the same 2400 it has the past 2 years and will be between 50-100 students short and go to its waitlist. which means the ‘official’ admit number will still be 6.9%, and even if we take into consideration the worst case waitlist number it would still only be 7.2%. (columbia admitted ~100 students off the waitlist in 2008 as a result of the harvard/princeton situation in which columbia underadmitted out of concern for the fact that many h/p students would be in their app pool that would not have been before, last year columbia went minimally to the wait list, and has seen an increase in yield).</p>
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<p>slicebread, you are again wrong here…the kids that get in through the waitlist are counted as part of the accepted students, that is why a school’s acceptance rate goes up from the initial count - Princeton’s class of 2014 went from 8.18% to 8.7% after the waitlist kids were let in, for instance…</p>
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<p>confidentialcoll, sorry but for the reasons that I stated earlier, Columbia’s yield for the class of 2015 will DROP from that of the class of 2014.</p>
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<p>confidentialcoll, huh?</p>
<p>the class of 2015 acceptance decisions for the Ivy league schools have not come in yet and you are already putting the Ivy League schools in order of acceptance rate?</p>
<p>again, please remember that Columbia’s yield is going to drop considerably due to the fact that a big chunk of the increased applications are from kids that also applied to HYPSM and Columbia is going to lose the majority of these cross admits.</p>
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<p>admissionsgeek, you are wrong here. Final admittance rates for college always take into consideration the admits that come in from the waiting list.</p>
<p>really? do you know something i don’t know? so you’re telling me that the data that usnews uses includes waitlist? sorry i am pretty sure (99.9%) that is not true. but i welcome you to PROVE me wrong, and not just claim i am wrong. show me an admit rate that is used (especially on the level of a data collecting agency - usnews, etc) where admit inclusive of waitlist activity is used. it isn’t not because that rate is more appropriate, but just SOP for colleges. it is the reason that columbia’s admit rate in 2009 was inclusive of waitlist lower than princeton, but the cited number was higher because pton went heavier to the waitlist that year.</p>
<p>lastly, your response to concoll is ridiculous. the dailybeast, a major international news blog, wrote that. concoll was just quoting.</p>
<p>onecircuit, you’re digging the hole deeper:</p>
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<p>Princeton has very little certainty after doing away with their early program, they need to rely heavily on their waitlist. </p>
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<p>ok Nostradamus, want to predict the direction of the price of oil in a month as well? Just because Columbia had more applicants you need to say that the yield will drop?</p>
<p>onecircuit argues: Columbia’s yield will Drop, I’m guaranteeing it.</p>
<p>confidentialcoll argues: Columbia yield might drop, but it could also rise. We have a variety of conflicting factors here, pushing the yield up and down. Either way Columbia will not take nearly close to 500 kids of the waitlist such that their acceptance rate is on par with princeton’s.</p>
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<p>how much do you want to bet that Princeton is going to have a higher acceptance rate this year than Y and H and Columbia before and after waitlist activity?</p>
<p>Acceptance rate has always been almost entirely dependent on the number of applicants. If you look at the yield for the past 10 years for Columbia it has hardly changed and in fact increased a little over time. </p>
<p>Onecircuit’s claim was: Columbia’s acceptance rate will go from 6.9 –> 8.5%+ as a result of waitlist activity. </p>
<p>When you make an absurd claim it’s better to retract it than to keep fighting for it after someone has shown why it’s absurd.</p>
<p>confidentailcoll, first please find my post where I stated this. You can’t because I never said what you claim that I said:</p>
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<p>then after it is proven that you are again wrong, I will comment on each of your childish ridiculous statements.</p>
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<p>admissionsgeek, seriously?..are you really attempting to prove a point by quoting a second source such as USNWR?..why don’t you go to the direct source - the university…</p>
<p>look at what each university/college initially announced in acceptance rate then look at what each university finally uses for the acceptance rate after all the waitlist kids are admitted…</p>
<p>then come back and apologize</p>
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<p>confidentialcoll, please please please tell me that you are kidding on this…</p>