Company wants to transfer me to CA, but D#2 is a junior

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<p>My company wants to transfer me to CA, but my D#2 is a junior in high school. As it’s such a busy year for her, I am reluctant to move her. If I choose to take the transfer job, it will probably happen within 6-12months. Here is my question if I take the job and moved to CA:
1) If my D#2 stayed in her current east coast high school, and apply to a CA Public university, she will most likely count as OOS student, right? And if yes, when will she be counted as an instate student?
2) What if she moved to CA in senior year after apply to CA school, how she will be counted? In state? Or OOS?</p>

<p>I am trying to find out this from school website, but so far no luck. Hopefully someone has had the same experience or someone who understands the IN state or OOS concepts can shed some light.</p>

<p>I also welcome any thoughts on move a junior in high school to another state.</p>

<p>Thank you for your reply!</p>

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<p>I think that if one of the parents is a resident of a state for one year, the child counts as "in state", even if the child did not live with that parent.</p>

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<p>According to UC Berkeley's site, for a legal adult (18+):</p>

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If you are an adult who is not an alien present in the U.S. in a nonimmigrant status which precludes you from establishing domicile in the U.S. (e.g., a B, F, H2, H3, or J visa) and you want to be classified as a resident for tuition purposes, you must have established your continuous presence in California more than one year immediately preceding the residence determination date for the semester during which you propose to attend the University, and you must have given up any previous residence. You must also present objective evidence that you intend to make California your permanent home. Evidence of intent must be dated one year before the term for which you seek resident classification. If these steps are delayed, the one-year durational period will be extended until you have demonstrated both continuous presence and intent for one full year. Physical presence within the state solely for educational purposes does not constitute the establishment of California residence under state law, regardless of the length of your stay. Your residence cannot be derived from your spouse nor, since you are an adult, from your parents. Likewise, a registered domestic partner does not derive residence from the other registered domestic partner.

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<p>According to the same site, for a minor:</p>

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If you are an unmarried minor (under age 18), the residence of the parent with whom you live is considered your residence. If you have a parent living, you cannot change your residence by your own act, by the appointment of a legal guardian, or by the relinquishment of a parent's right of control. If you live with neither parent, your residence is that of the parent with whom you last lived. Unless you are a minor alien present in the U.S. under the terms of a nonimmigrant status which precludes you from establishing domicile in the U.S., you may establish your own residence when both your parents are deceased and a legal guardian has not been appointed. If you derive California residence from a parent, that residence must satisfy the one-year durational requirement.

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<p>Other details and more information can be found here: UC</a> Berkeley Registrar : Legal Residence Information</p>

<p>This is a California Educational Code issue, not generally determined by the schools themselves (though I suppose any of the privates could do whatever they like).</p>

<p>On the softer, non-legal issue of a junior transferring for her senior year, I think the general consensus is to avoid it if it is at all possible for her to finish out high school at her original location. It's too much disruption in a critical part of high school (new friends, new teachers, new ECs, new home, new city, new state), and it could be detrimental to her applications.</p>

<p>COULD, of course. Colleges realize that it isn't under the student's control whether their parents (and, by extension, they themselves) move or when they do it. If she's willing and capable of making the transition and reestablishing herself at a new school in time to graduate, then by all means!</p>

<p>Have a good talk with your daughter to see how she feels, though. I expect she'll be sympathetic to your job requirements but reluctant to make such a big change so suddenly and at this point in her education.</p>

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<p>The residency requirements vary a bit with the level of school, for instance a CSU, like SDSU, will let an OOS student become a resident whilst being a student at the school, so in year 2 they can be a resident if they have fulfilled the other requirements.</p>

<p>At UCs, it is more complex:</p>

<p>General Rules Applying to Minors</p>

<p>If you are an unmarried minor (under age 18), the residence of the parent with whom you live is considered your residence. If you have a parent living, you cannot change your residence by your own act, by the appointment of a legal guardian, or by the relinquishment of a parent's right of control. If you live with neither parent, your residence is that of the parent with whom you last lived. Unless you are a minor alien present in the U.S. under the terms of a nonimmigrant status which precludes you from establishing domicile in the U.S., you may establish your own residence when both your parents are deceased and a legal guardian has not been appointed. If you derive California residence from a parent, that residence must satisfy the one-year durational requirement.</p>

<p>Specific Rules Applying to Minors</p>

<pre><code>1. Divorced/Separated Parents
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<p>If you want to derive California resident status from a California resident parent, you must move to California to live with that parent before your 18th birthday and establish the requisite intent and remain in California until school begins. Otherwise, you will be treated like any other adult coming to California to establish your legal residence.
2. Parent of Minor Moves from California
If you are a minor U.S. citizen or eligible alien whose parent was a resident of California but who left the state within one year of the residence determination date, you are entitled to resident classification if you remain in California after your parent departs, enroll in a California public postsecondary institution within one year of your parent's departure, and, once enrolled, attend continuously until you turn 18.
3. Self-Support
If you are a U.S. citizen or eligible alien and are a minor and can prove that you lived in California for the entire year immediately before the residence determination date, that you have been self-supporting for that year, and that you intend to make California your permanent home, you may be eligible for resident status.
4. Two-Year Care and Control
If you are a U.S. citizen or eligible alien and you lived continuously for at least two years before the residence determination date with an adult who was not your parent but was responsible for your care and control, and who, during the one year immediately preceding the residence determination date was a resident of California, you are entitled to resident status. This exception continues until you become 18 and have resided in the state long enough to become a resident, as long as you continuously attend an educational institution.</p>

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<p>(From UCLA) -

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Parent's Residence</p>

<p>For an unmarried minor (under age 18 by the residence determination date [RDD]) student, the residence of the parent with whom the minor lives is considered to be the student's residence. If the student has a parent living, the student cannot change residence by his or her own act, by the appointment of a legal guardian, or by the relinquishment of the parent's right of control. If the minor lives with neither parent, his or her residence is that of the parent with whom he or she last lived. Unless the student is a minor alien present in the U.S. under the terms of a nonimmigrant visa which precludes the student from establishing a domicile in the U.S., the student's own residence may be established when both parents are deceased and a legal guardian has not been appointed. If the student derives residence from a parent, that parent must satisfy the UC residence requirement.</p>

<p>Moves to or from California</p>

<p>A student who is a minor (under age 18 by the RDD) with a California resident parent and moves to California to begin residing with that parent prior to his or her 18th birthday, may be eligible for classification as a resident for tuition purposes.</p>

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University</a> of California - Admissions</p>

<p>UCLA</a> Registrar's Office: Residence for Tuition Purposes--Minors</p>

<p>Edit - I think we just had a 3 way cross-post.</p>

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<p>cross posted :)</p>

<p>Call the residency office and ask them for input and have several different scenarios outlined, ask them how that could be effected. They are very helpful</p>

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<p>Need more info:
Age of Daughter at graduation.
If she stays behind, will she live with parent, other relative, friend. It seems that if student stays behind with non-parent, she would be considered in-state when she returns to CA to live with parent.
Will student file income taxes as a CA resident</p>

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<p>Thank you all for your reply. I think I now finally understand the in state status if my D#2 decided to apply.<br>
It’s a very tough choice; my D’s reaction is just as you said, understanding but do not want to move at this point. Since I still have few months to decide, I will see how it goes.</p>

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<p>My D#2 will be 17 when graduating from high school. She has a summer birthday. She will be living with my H, her Dad.</p>

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<p>Be warned that the quality of California's public high schools varies wildly. Within 10 miles of my home are some of the state's best and worst public schools...it is something to research very carefully before you choose your neighborhood.
STAR test results and API scores are a good place to start...both are readily available of the California Department of Education website.</p>

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<p>Somemom, that's a good suggestion, I will definitely call them to find out.
thanks.</p>

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<p>Just another consideration if you move her during senior year....if you are looking at public schools - will your D even be ABLE to graduate on time - given that she may have a different set of graduation requirements to meet?</p>

<p>We have a friend who just moved to Texas for the son's senior year. They ended up putting him in a private school because of all the specific TX state grad requirements (not enforced for private schools) that he would have had to take. It would have meant at least 1 extra semester.</p>

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<p>Where in California?</p>

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<p>Incamom:</p>

<p>I think the wording in the text and links we provided to you is ambiguous enough that you should contact the registrar of a couple of sample state Unis. Contact at least one of the UCs, like UCLA, and one of the CSUs, like SDSU or CalPoly. The UCs and CSUs are both state university systems but they're different systems. If she has some idea of where she might like to attend then contact that one as well. </p>

<p>Contact them so you can make an informed decision. Keep in mind that it may be a busy time for the registrar's office at the UCs since they start in a couple of weeks. The CSUs have already started.</p>

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<p>UC</a> PATHWAYS
visit this site for information about the UC's. This gives links to the various campuses plus information on admissions requirements.</p>

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<p>We had friends in a similar situation. Dad took job in CA, Sept 1 of student's Sr year. Student and Mom stayed in NH until graduation. Student applied to several UCs and was considered OOS for admissions purposes since she was attending a NH high school, but instate for tuition purposes since Dad had been residing in CA for a year when school started. They had to provide proof of CA employment and rent receipts for his lodging. She attends UCD.</p>

<p>Younger D did have to attend a summer session to catch up on different grad requirements than her NH school.</p>

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<p>One of our friends in this situation decided to let their d stay with a very close school friend to finish at her home hs. </p>

<p>It really depends on the child. There are some great schools here in CA, hence my question of where in CA you are being asked to relocate, and we have students quite often transferring in for the very same reason. </p>

<p>Please feel free to PM me if you would rather not share any more details on the public forum but would like to know more about CA high school suggestions.</p>

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<p>Some other ideas: </p>

<p>Is your move at all negotiable? Could your daughter finish up with a dazzling senior year at a boarding school on company expense? </p>

<p>Could your daughter go to college at the end of her junior year? </p>

<p>Are you interested in a UC because of their lower costs or because you think they're good schools? You might want to check them out as cynically as you would any other college.</p>

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<p>On the reverse of the d staying with friends or family, we had a situation where my ex-husbands niece in Chicago decided that she wanted to be closer to "horse country" as she was interested in Equine studies. She left her home in the suburbs of Chicago and moved to Oklahoma to live with us for her Jr and Sr year of High School. She is now a Veterinarian. Some kids are excited about an "unconventional" arrangement, it just depends of the circumstances and the child.</p>

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One of our friends in this situation decided to let their d stay with a very close school friend to finish at her home hs.

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the ability to do this varies - at our public school a child must have been living with a parent and in school on the first day of the senior year to complete the year if the parents move.</p>

<p>If parents move in the junior year or over the summer then the child is disenrolled. check your high school's policy if she is in public high school.</p>