Composition major - is this an okay list of schools?

<p>I'm at the end of my junior year and I have finally narrowed down my potential schools from over 20 to just five, ranging from my absolute dream school to the safest safety I could think of. All of these schools (as far as I know) offer a BM in Composition or Comp/Theory. My instrument is voice, don't know if that will help or hurt me as a candidate for this degree program. The list:</p>

<p>-Boston University (the dream school - definitely a reach for me, I think, seeing as how I'm from the suburban Midwest at a pretty non-competitive high school)
-DePaul University (a pretty good match for me, right in the city, but I know its music school is highly competitive)
-University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign (really loved the music school when I visited, but I've heard very mixed things about them)
-University of Michigan at Ann Arbor (not really sure where this one fits in, but figured it's worth a shot)
-Illinois State University (my safety - I know the school well, I have many friends that go there, it's my cheapest option, and as far as I know the music school is solid - at least that's what I've heard. I would probably want more of an academically challenging environment, though.)</p>

<p>Are there any schools that you think I could/should add or remove from this list? Does anyone know anything about these schools' music programs that I might not have realized before?</p>

<p>Thank you so much for any responses. :)</p>

<p>I recommend that you do some searching through past threads about composition majors. The search for a composition program is different than just searching for a music school - you need to find the professors you wish to work with, and a school with the sort of opportunities for an undergrad composer you need. Do you have a sense of your own aesthetics? If so, then you can investigate the aesthetics of the department you’re interested in, and see how it fits with your own. Are you planning to write choral music? If so, you might want to research schools with good choral departments such as St. Olaf and Westminster. Again - searching this forum will turn up lots of leads.</p>

<p>Of the schools on your list - Michigan is the most competitive for composition - but it does accept students who are new to the field and only recently started composing. (Not that you say that is true for yourself, but you only talk about your singing, and not your composing.) You being a singer will have little impact one way or the other when applying as a composer - it’s your compositions that will matter. How much composing have you done? Do you have finished scores? Recordings by live musicians? Are you working privately right now with a composition teacher? Do you have any summer plans to attend a music camp and get your music performed? If not, I just posted some info about a Minnesota program which is still accepting applicants.</p>

<p>What about financial needs? Can you afford a school like Boston University, or will you need financial aid? Are you looking for merit aid? How did you narrow down that list of 20? What is it about Boston U. that appeals to you?</p>

<p>We can offer you a lot of guidance, but you need to start thinking of the questions to ask. I always recommend getting in touch with the composition departments - email exchanges and visits are very important to help you determine the right place.</p>

<p>I realize that a lot of the questions you posed may have been rhetorical, but for the sake of the thread I’ll answer them:</p>

<p>I do plan on writing choral music primarily, but I would like to learn about wind band/orchestral composing as well. I would eventually like to do compositions for film, hopefully incorporating both orchestral and choral elements. I am developing a pretty strong sense of my aesthetic as a composer, but I’m not quite sure how I would go about researching the aesthetic of specific schools - any advice on that?</p>

<p>I’ve got a few pretty simple compositions and I am working on a large, virtuosic piece for a state-wide competition this November. I have yet to have any recordings by live musicians but plan to obtain some throughout my senior year as I develop. I have been working with my school’s ass’t choral director who is also an active choral composer. I was not planning on attending any camps, but if I can find one that is financially feasible for me and is still accepting applications (perhaps like the one you suggested), I would definitely love to give it a try.</p>

<p>My financial needs will be steep. I am banking a lot on federal aid and some academic scholarships, and hopefully some talent scholarships as well (though I know those are difficult to obtain). Boston attracts me because it’s a very large school in an urban environment, something I think I could identify with well. I also know it’s a pretty selective and academically challenging environment, which is critical for me.</p>

<p>Thank you for all the help. I’m going to continue to search the forum for more info. (:</p>

<p>You will need scores and recordings by December 1. You sometimes can send in supplemental work after the deadlines - but that is your basic cut-off date for applications for many schools. There may be a few on your list as late as Jan. 15. If you are a choral composer, then write something this summer and arrange with your school to get it performed in the fall so you can record it.</p>

<p>If your ultimate goal is movie music - does that man you’re looking for more traditional style composition as opposed to ‘new music’ or electronic music? If so, that is a good way to determine if you would fit in at a school. Go online - go the composition department faculty pages - read their bios and listen to their music. Then write directly to them and tell them about yourself and ask specific questions about their program. You will quickly get a sense of whether you would fit in.</p>

<p>I strongly urge you to research schools with serious choral programs. They will be excited to have you, and you will have more opportunities to get your works heard. One of the dads on here can give you the links to threads about choral programs. (Or do a directed search.) Then go to the websites for those schools and check out the composition programs.</p>

<p>How good a student are you? If your financial needs are steep look for schools which meet full need. Often those are the smaller schools like Lawrence Univ., Westminster, St. Olaf - all of which I recommend you check out. Univ. of Illinois could be a very good choice for you - except what I know of the comp depart leans more towards electronic music. (This could just be a strength of theirs - and the more traditional composition is also supported.)</p>

<p>88fingers is from your neck of the woods and has done a lot of recent research. Perhaps she will chime in as she knows more than I do about the midwest public (and private) programs.</p>

<p>Check out USC for a big school in an urban environment. And film world contacts. They offer better aid than NYU, and generally better than Boston. You might also look into a school like Chapman in Southern California. Good film school with a music school.</p>

<p>How good a student are you? You might look into a liberal arts college where you can get a BA instead of a BM like Williams or Skidmore or Goucher or Sarah Lawrence or…(And, I’m sure there are midwestern alternatives to these.) Or a program like Tufts or Tufts/NEC. In fact, I would seriously recommend thinking about pursuing a BA instead of BM since you are so new to composing. This would give you four years to build up your chops, and then you can apply to grad school.</p>

<p>Lots of choices, really.</p>

<p>I’m ranked 48/520, but my school isn’t very competitive. I have a perfect GPA when it’s weighted, have no idea what it would be like unweighted (I’ve gotten a couple C’s), and I got a 33 on my ACT. I’m hoping that will all balance out to give me a good shot at some merit-based aid.</p>

<p>I have looked at USC and might consider it over UMich, since that’s the one I’m least attached to at the moment. </p>

<p>Generally, I prefer traditional music but I am open to learning about electronic music and gaining some proficiency there. I’ll definitely be e-mailing composition faculty at all of these schools, just like you suggested - I think not knowing about their specific programs is a big thing I’m missing, especially from the schools I have yet to visit.</p>

<p>And about camps…as far as I can tell, I’m way too late to get into any fine arts camps this summer, not to mention the cost of it all. Is this going to really disadvantage me going into applications and auditions?</p>

<p>Just a few past threads to get you started:</p>

<p><a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/music-major/497283-best-schools-music-composition.html?highlight=composition[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/music-major/497283-best-schools-music-composition.html?highlight=composition&lt;/a&gt;
<a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/music-major/749881-best-liberal-arts-college-music-program-composition.html?highlight=composition[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/music-major/749881-best-liberal-arts-college-music-program-composition.html?highlight=composition&lt;/a&gt;
<a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/music-major/371572-summer-programs-composition.html?highlight=composition[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/music-major/371572-summer-programs-composition.html?highlight=composition&lt;/a&gt;
<a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/music-major/419313-expectations-composition-applicants.html?highlight=composition[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/music-major/419313-expectations-composition-applicants.html?highlight=composition&lt;/a&gt;
<a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/music-major/675437-best-composition-unis.html?highlight=composition[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/music-major/675437-best-composition-unis.html?highlight=composition&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p>Here’s the info I posted on the summer program that is still accepting applicants. I know nothing about its merits beyond this, nor its price - though often there are scholarships/financial aid available. Note that the focus is on film scoring!</p>

<p>Postmark Deadline: June 15, 2010 (Enrollment) Junior Composers—Studio or Institute
Junior Composers is a residential summer camp housed at the University of Minnesota School of Music in Minneapolis for musicians, age 14-20 who want to develop their creativity through music composition. Every student will compose and perform in at least one premiere. The featured opportunity this year is to compose “Live Music for Silent Film.” The Studio – July 12-24, 2010, a two- week camp. Core features: seminars and master classes with guest composer Richard Marriott, visual literacy workshops with film- maker Barbara Weiner, score analysis, two field trips to the Minnesota Orchestra along with all of the features of the Institute. The Institute – July 18-24, 2010, a week-long camp. Core features: composition tutorials, 2-hours of music theory/ear-training every day, readings of new works with a professional ensemble, compose and perform a new work, daily sessions with guest artists, field trip to the Minnesota Orchestra. Online enrollment and detailed program information are available at the website listed below.
Junior Composers
Contact: Randall Davidson Email:<a href="mailto:davidson@boysartmusic.com">davidson@boysartmusic.com</a> Website: Junior Composers</p>

<p>According to their website, I needed to have submitted works for the scoring workshop by June 1st, I think. :/</p>

<p>Not the end of the world not to go to a summer program IF you do a lot of composing, work with a teacher, and try to get some friends (or professionals) together to perform your works. And try to get some recordings. You can make all this happen yourself with a bit of effort. If you can’t get live musicians - most programs will accept midi recordings even if they prefer to have at least one live recording.</p>

<p>Use the summer, too, for research. Who are your favorite composers - where did they go to school or, even better, where do they teach? Think about whether you truly want to get a BM in composition from a school of music, or whether you might be happier in a more general rounded program. To see the differences - check out the requirements for graduation in the different majors at the different schools.</p>

<p>And, since as a composer your instrument will be voice, check out the voice departments/ensembles. Often there are recordings on the web of the ensembles.</p>

<p>My son attended the one week program through JCI for 3 or 4 years. He enjoyed it. This is the first or second year I think of the two week program and the first year that will have the film scoring emphasis. They are pretty flexible and I went to the website and my read is that you would need to have a score in by June 1 if you wanted it to be performed by the ensemble on the Monday. Not a prerequisite to attend in my interpretation. They give the contact info for Seth Custer on the website. He is a very kind person who will be able to answer any questions you have. Everybody is pretty midwest friendly and you will not only compose but also conduct and perform your compositions and probably perform in other people’s compositions depending on what they need and you can offer. The atmosphere is a lot more collegial than competitive.</p>

<p>It might sound silly, and others can tell you, but I would check with BU to see if they accept voice as your instrument, as a composer. BU and many state U.'s require that a composition applicant also audition for an instrument. Our daughter was an experienced composer, and plays classical guitar: BU and UMass did not accept classical guitar as her instrument, so she could not apply. I would assume that voice is okay, since BU has a voice program, of course, but you might want to check.</p>

<p>Composers who are applying for a BM program usually need to submit 3-4 scores and CD’s by December 1st. Sometimes, one score needs to be handwritten (Oberlin). Midi recordings are acceptable, but live musicians are better. Sometimes musicians.singers in your area will help you out by volunteering, or playing for less money than they normally do.</p>

<p>I would get some done this summer if you can, then work with your school or other choral groups in the fall as well.</p>

<p>You might want to buy or borrow a recording device such as the zoom H-2 (google it!).</p>

<p>BM applicants are usually judged mainly by the music itself, just as instrumentalists are evaluated mainly by auditions. Often, for composition applicants, there are interviews and exams in theory or music history (which, they say, are for placement purposes). One school we know has an overnight composition assignment (Manhattan).</p>

<p>If you are interested in a BM, you might want to get yourself a teacher, for the summer and fall. A teacher can help you with a lot of this, and, of course, help you with your composing. This can be expensive, but there are ways to keep costs down. Our daughter wrote a lot of music last year but saw her teacher maybe 4 times, when her material was ready, for instance. A good teacher costs $50-60+ an hour.</p>

<p>You might also want to take some theory classes this fall (or maybe you have already). Does your school offer them? Is there a conservatory prep anywhere near you, or a college where you could take a class on weekends? There are also online options.</p>

<p>If you are applying to a college rather than conservatory or music school, for a BA program, then you can handle the application by sending an arts supplement to the regular application. In this case, one score and CD would be fine, along with, maybe, a program from a concert, or a newspaper article, or, somewhere in the application a note about how you won that competition in November! The deadline is later, so there is more time: usually January 1 or 15.</p>

<p>Schools that come to mind for me, in addition to the ones you mention, include Ithaca, Lawrence, Macalaster, Carleton, Oberlin…Sarah Lawrence, Bennington, Skidmore, Goucher, Bard…a few of these have both conservatory and college, with a “low wall,” and a few have double degrees for both BM and BA.</p>

<p>If you are auditioning/applying for a BM, it can be exhausting to do too many schools, and you are wise to set limits, though you could do 6. However, if you are applying for a BA program, you could consider applying to more.</p>

<p>I think it is wonderful that your are starting on this path, and good luck!</p>

<p>composer1221,</p>

<p>I was wondering if you could PM me all the colleges you know of that have Composition Majors.</p>

<p>Thank you!</p>

<p>Rayna3 - almost every college in the country that has a music department teaches composition. Such a list would be ridiculously long. Since you are a beginning composer, I would recommend you think about a BA in music where you will take courses in theory, history, composition and performance. The program will not be audition based and you will not have to submit scores to be admitted. You can learn on the job, as it were. Start looking at colleges for all the other reasons you may be interested in them, and then check out their music offerings/programs/degrees.</p>

<p>SpiritManager - Thank you! So if you get a BA, you don’t have to audition? Then, for a BM you do? Thanks!</p>

<p>Every school will be a little bit different and you should always check the requirements for applying for admission to the program - but, in general, BA’s do not require an audition, nor submission of finished work in advance. (There are always exceptions, of course, so pay attention to the details!)</p>

<p>My advice to you is to take Compmom’s advice above - get a teacher right away and start writing music like mad. And start listening to everything you can get your hands on, and go to concerts every week. Start reading books on orchestration and theory. Read books by composers talking about music. Get some staff paper and learn how to write music by hand. Get a computer engraving program with playback and start writing with that too. And listen listen listen to everything everywhere - both inside yourself and outside.</p>