Comprehensive Ivy League v. non-Ivy League Thread Part 3

College Search & Selection
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<p>I'll post here some FAQ information about the Ivy League. As other threads come up about comparing Ivy League colleges to non-Ivy League colleges (as such threads continually do here), I'll merge some of those into this thread. Read the thread CAREFULLY before posting to know which questions go with which replies. </p>

<p>The Ivy League is an intercollegiate athletic league </p>

<p>Ivy</a> League - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia </p>

<p>Encyclopedia</a> Brunoniana | Ivy League </p>

<p>consisting of eight colleges, all of which were founded long before the intercollegiate athletic league existed and all of which are located in the northeast United States. They have some common policies related to admission </p>

<p>Common</a> Ivy league Admissions Statement </p>

<p>and related to athletic recruiting and financial aid. </p>

<p>Ivy</a> League Sports </p>

<p>Besides the Ivy League proper, there is an "Ivy Plus" group consisting of some colleges with similar (but not always identical) policies in those areas. </p>

<p>IVY:</a> MIT-Stanford Conference 2004 - The Future of Philantropy: Tradition, Technology, Transformation </p>

<p><a href="http://www.hio.harvard.edu/about_hio/ivy_plus.pdf%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.hio.harvard.edu/about_hio/ivy_plus.pdf&lt;/a> </p>

<p>The Ivy Plus colleges enter into various mutual discussions of college admissions and other research issues. </p>

<p>The Ivy League is an athletic conference, and as such it was a grouping of colleges conveniently close to one another for scheduling sports contests back when college football teams traveled by railroad. The eight colleges that make up the Ivy League have enough collective brand name cachet that some writers refer to "little Ivies" </p>

<p>Little</a> Ivies - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia </p>

<p>or "public Ivies," </p>

<p>Public</a> Ivy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia </p>

<p>but neither of those terms is an official designation of an athletic league or formal grouping of colleges.</p>

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<p>Ivy League started as a sports league but it has come to also mean the premier academic universities in the world. It now means much more than a sports league. Ivy League is like the opposite of "bush league". The expression "bush league" started out as a reference to minor league baseball teams but now refers to anything second-rate, unsophisticated, inept.</p>

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<p>I will argue that the real schools that benefit from the ivy league title are ivies outside HYP. They are essentially riding the prestige of those schools. Most people cannot name the ivies. However, HYP consistently are known by most people in the world. I cannot say the same about Dartmouth or Brown or Penn. A rather interesting way to ascertain a school's prestige is to see how its name is used in popular culture. Having watched some older shows or movies, I constantly saw HYP or MIT being used to represent the best schools. In very few instances did I see other ivies being used in this context.
Can you name any instances where a parent in a movie says something along the lines, my kid is aspiring to go to Penn or Cornell? They just don't have the same cache as a Harvard or MIT does.</p>

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<p>I agree that HYP and MIT have the most name recognition among the general public but I think the other Ivies are recognized among the college educated public. I think Penn has the most difficulty when it comes to name recognition among the general public because it sounds like a public university. What matters most is that the quality of the Ivies is recognized by graduate schools, professional schools, employers, and other's who can appreciate fine education.</p>

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<p>Those who need to know, know. A university can still be excellent without the cachet (not "cache") of HYP. I think you'd find the huge perception gap is not a reflection of commensurate gaps in quality of education or availability of opportunities.</p>

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<p>I know someone who recognizes Wharton but not Penn. Go figure.</p>

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<p>Interesting observation....</p>

<p>Regarding Penn's prestige, if anyone had watched the Fresh Prince on tv, you will notice that the father, a prominent lawyer, mentions how he got into Harvard, Yale, Princeton, and Wharton. That is sort of telling of Penn's name recognition back in the 90s.</p>

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<p>Off the top of my head for Dartmouth</p>

<p>Shows: Gossip Girl, Grey's anatomy, the OC, Colbert Report</p>

<p>Movies: Superbad, Can't Hardly Wait, She's All That, The Godfather (Michael Corleone), Outside Providence (random movie I just saw that was actually pretty good!)</p>

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<p>The "Kudzu League" schools deserve a mention. :D I believe the consensus was</p>

<p>Duke
Vanderbilt
Emory or UVA
Wake Forest
Davidson
Washington & Lee
UNC
W&M</p>

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<p>Which Ivy league school has the most famous but "cool" as in relevant and admirable alumni. As an example Columbia's Isacc Asimov would qualify as famous and cool, but Yale's Dick Cheney would not. This is one of those catagories where if you have to ask the difference then you don't get it. A final example to get things going would be: Dartmouth's Laura Ingram "Lame" while Cornell's Kurt Vonnegut "cool".</p>

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<p>I thought vonnegut dropped out of cornell.
dartmouth's dr. suess basically beats everyone.
princeton has soon good ones aswell.</p>

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<p>didnt obama go to columbia?</p>

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<p>Garry Trudeau, Yale.</p>

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<p>Google, Amazon, Ebay founders and Brookshields all went to Princeton.</p>

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<p>Cornell has a long tradition,glorified in it's fight song, of considering those who busted out "flunked out" or dropped out as Cornellians. So by this time honored standard Cornell students such as Vonnegut and Harry Chapin are still considered Cornellians.</p>

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<p>Bill Gates, Natalie Portman, B. J. Novak ( The Office ), Michael Bloomberg, Al Gore.....Harvard</p>

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<p>The Google founders between the two of them went to UMich, U Maryland, and Stanford. The founder of Ebay went to Tufts, not sure where fall2007 is getting his/her information.</p>

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<p>Sorry guys, but the Ivy league's coolest grads, while pretty cool, lose out to Northwestern's:</p>

<p>Former Presidential Candidate and New York Times Bestselling Author Dr. Stephen T. Colbert, D.F.A.</p>

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<p>For Cornell:</p>

<p>Pearl S. Buck
Toni Morrison
Ruth Bader Ginsberg
Dr Spock
Ken Blanchard ("one minute manager"
Tom Peters ("in search of excellence")
Thomas Pynchon (Gravitys Rainbox)
E.B. White
Harry Chapin
Kurt Vonnegut
Huey Lewis
Peter Yarrow (peter paul and mary)
Robert Moog (moog synthsizer)
Laurens Hammond ( Hammond b3 organ, coolest instrument ever)
Richard Meier (architect)
Rem Koolhas (architect)
Margaret Bourke-White ( pioneering photograher)
Keith Olbermann
Bill Maher
Bill Nye (the science guy)
Christopher Reeve
Jimmy Smits
David Starr Jordan (founding president of Stanford)
Willis Carrier (invented air conditioning )
Frank Gannet (founded largest newspaper chain)
Jeff Hawkins (founded palm pilot)
Ken Dryden ( greatest hockey goalie of all time, author, member of parliment.</p>

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<p>Don't forget that the D.F.A., undoubtedly the more important degree, came from Knox College.</p>