Convince me, please?

<p>@monydad </p>

<p>I get your point, but I think it’s backwards to suggest that a person can’t attend a single-sex institution and have social well-being. Does it limit your chances to meet and date the opposite sex, or at the very least force you to go more out of your way to do so? Certainly. But at the same time, there are huge social benefits to be had from women’s colleges. The security and support of the environment can provide the kind of social atmosphere that really allows people to blossom not just in college, but gives them strength of character and confidence in self for life beyond college. Not to mention that the depth and endurance of relationships you build with your fellow students has its own rewards, socially, academically, in terms of your future career prospects. </p>

<p>There’s more to social well being than how many dates a person goes on or how many significant others they have. </p>

<p>And obstinate, while introverted behavior may make it harder to make first contact, I don’t think being bookish is or should be considered to be a drawback to one’s future prospects.</p>

<p>I’m pretty sure her parents are mostly focused on that whole “meet and date the opposite sex” thing you referenced. Whether she should share that same priority level about it is up to her.</p>

<p>women’s college vs. girl’s school: example of the heavy PC discussed in other threads :slight_smile: ?
From a 47 year old woman’s perspective, my just-turned-18 year old is still growing (literally)…nothing pejorative in being a girl, just an all too brief phase of youth. Oh, and I smile when strangers call me ‘miss’ instead of ‘ma’am’!</p>

<p>"I had crossed Smith off my list, because I’m socially introverted and want to date seriously in college–it is, however, a good academic fit. "</p>

<p>First of all, it doesn’t matter where you go, if you know it takes “breaking out of your shell” to get to know people + you want a serious relationship, neither will magically come to you. Even at a co-ed school. Everyone has to work to make friends + find a significant other. Many Smith students are unbeliviably friendly and there’s really a niche for everyone, seriously. Not to mention our unique housing system does a lot to foster community & close friendships within the house- look into it more! As for members of the opposite sex, Smith is hardly located on a desert island: the Pioneer Valley + the consortium offer social opportunities to meet folks of all genders. If you’re not into partying (& let’s face it, there are sketchy people sometimes you wouldn’t want to get to know…), there are orgs composed of members from different consortium schools, events open to/attended by Five College students, you can usually join another school’s athletic team, take classes at one of the other 4 schools after your first semester, you may know friends at the other schools, etc.</p>

<p>It’s absolutely worth looking into alone if the academics hit the nail on the head in terms of what you’re looking for. It’s huge part of college obviously.</p>

<p>"but please back it up with reasoning other than ‘women’s colleges will improve your leadership skills’–I am perfectly confident with being an outspoken leader in a professional setting, though not a casual social setting.</p>

<p>uhhhhh there are several studies out there that prove single-sex education strengthens the leadership skills of both women & men so I don’t understand why you don’t consider this to be “sound reasoning”. Or talk to any woman who graduated from an all-women’s college and she’ll give you an earful about what you claim isn’t a “resonable” outcome. As a gov major, is it a coincidence that so many women in government went to all-women’s colleges compared to how many women do overall? How many men do you think hold student leadership posistions in a given co-ed school compared to women even if the ratio is more or less 50:50? How many female students do you think are heavily engaged in academic departments (collaborating with profs, etc.) compared to men, especially in those such as math/science/politics/other areas where women are in notoriously disproportionate numbers?</p>

<p>I hardly believe a woman can’t get a great education at a co-ed school, but as a women’s college, Smith was founded and exists to further WOMEN and THEIR careers & aspirations. I never in a million years thought I was going to an all-women’s college & this ideal won me over, as PRish as it sounds. I’m confident that many of the students around me will run the country, cure epidemics, write fantastic lit, do groundbreaking research- and so do most of my friends at co-ed schools- but the difference here is that they’re all women. Women thrive at all-women’s colleges & it makes complete sense, actually.</p>

<p>As big a fan as I am of single-sex education, I’ll fully concede that it’s not for everyone & not everyone will be compelled to choose it. But I think you should absolutely visit Smith/an all-women’s college or two and THEN make your decision of whether this is the type of education that’s right for you. Not because of what you THINK going to a women’s college will be like.</p>

<p>"(Side question: How does Smith do with middle-class financial aid, e.g. AGI 80k?) "</p>

<p>My family makes around that amount and I…go to Smith basically for free. Granted, I no longer pay for the meal plan as I live in a co-op + a renewable outside scholarship picks up most of the tab not covered by fin aid, but I’d still be paying a yearly cost in the single thousands without either of these. Another plus about Smith is great aid for many :)</p>

<p>^ The leadership-strengthening argument is perfectly sound, but it’s not compelling for me personally–i.e. I’m not going to college to improve my leadership skills, nor do I particularly care about such impact. It’s a valid criteria and probably why many people choose a women’s college, but it does not compel me (I would say the same to a coed school focused on leadership, i.e. Claremont McKenna).</p>

<p>Re: FA–wow! Do you have any siblings in college at the same time? And I wonder if Smith factors in primary home equity–that makes a big difference for us.</p>

<p>I can understand that angle not making or breaking a choice for you, but a huge point of college is also prepping you to be successful in the career you choose. EVERY college wants to prep you to take the lead-again, that’s kinda the point- but who would want to go to a school where one wouldn’t graduate feeling confident that they could? So I still encourage you to look into the leadership development & opportunities that Smith or any school for that matter offers. Even though, again, maybe it isn’t The Deciding Factor for you.</p>

<p>My twin sister started college at the same time as I did & her costs pushed into >$10,000/yr, even with a merit tuition scholarship. Smith has their own standards of how your need is measured (they re-calculate your EFC themselves which obviously will hurt, help, or not make a difference depending…) and I’m pretty sure assets are still very much taken into account. We own our home & have been able to/are extending our home equity line of credit a lot if it means anything to you.</p>

<p>@upbeat, it’s not an example of being overly politically correct, it’s just a matter of being correct. Smith is a women’s college. It’s listed as such in all of it’s literature, it’s graduates, officials, and founding documents from the 19th century for heaven’s sakes refer to it as a women’s college. To say “all-girl’s school” is just to use incorrect terminology. If nothing else it’s frowned on by admissions officers so it’s not something people should get in the habit of doing before their college interviews. </p>

<p>Now if I wanted to insist on political correctness I would have demanded that it not be referred to as an all-girl’s school out of deference for the transgender students, or that it be spelled “womyn’s college” or something along those lines.</p>

<p>In terms of FA, Keil, just be remembered that it’s very much calculated on a case by case basis (and yes, I’m pretty sure they count the equity in your house) so what one person gets is not always reflective of how your package will be structured. Not saying that it won’t be as good as Meredith’s, but just don’t assume anything until you get your letter.</p>

<p>“All-girls” sounds like a high school, with immaturity implied. Even though it takes a long time for “girls” to be able to call themselves “women” (just as “boys” prefer “guys” before they can call themselves men), college-age females are indeed women. Not girls. </p>

<p>Before the Ivies went co-ed, their students were called men. To call their female counterparts “girls” is both incorrect and demeaning.</p>

<p>I’ve been following this thread for the past few days, and I just wanted to say a big “Thank you!” to everyone who has posted their anecdotes and viewpoints. I really love Smith academically and I’m used to having to make an effort to meet people, especially potential dates, so I don’t worry about that aspect being an issue for me. I am also curious what having a large, supportive group of women around me would feel like, because I’ve never experienced it.
This thread has really helped me better understand Smith, and I thank you all for that. Hopefully I get the same supportive and intelligent feeling when I visit campus!</p>

<p>As the OP, I definitely want to echo teenage_cliche’s thank-you. I remain conflicted about women’s colleges, but y’all have still convinced me to apply to WoD and give Smith a chance.</p>

<p>Something else to mull over as you’re working through your decision. Forbes just put out an article about women’s colleges that I thought was a pretty accurate depiction of a lot of people’s experiences. </p>

<p>[Why</a> Women’s Colleges Are Still Relevant - Forbes.com](<a href=“http://www.forbes.com/2009/08/12/womens-colleges-student-forbes-woman-leadership-graduate.html]Why”>Why Women's Colleges Are Still Relevant)</p>

<p>Does anyone know how many usually apply, get accepted to the WoD program and then go on to attend Smith? </p>

<p>Any info on the engineering program at Smith?</p>

<p>I don’t know how many apply and are accepted to WoD, but as a former WoD’er and WoD host I can say that if you are accepted, that’s a pretty good indication that you will be accepted to Smith (not a gaurantee, mind you, but a pretty good indication) should you apply. That’s why they make you fill out what is essentially a mini-Smith application to get into WoD</p>

<p>Right on, Momwaitingfornew.</p>