Cooper Union vs. Cornell - what's better?

<p>Hey guys,</p>

<p>I'm trying to figure which is a better school. I know both are elite and very reputable. Cooper Union is hot inside NYC, Columbia can't even compare to it. However, Cornell is no joke. It is a great school. I'm currently transferring to Cooper and I have many rivals at Cornell. </p>

<p>I just wanted to start a new thread concerning which school is better - I know it's kinda stupid but this is just for fun. What do you guys think? Would you rather root for Cooper or Cornell? There has been a very similar discussion forum regarding Cooper and Columbia but not Cooper and Cornell</p>

<p>columbia can't compare to cooper union? hahahaha. </p>

<p>cooper union has no campus, 2 dirty oldbuildings, and is maybe in the single worst location in the city possible by st. marks place. i saw some goth chick slit her wrists in the mcdonalds in cooper square. i would probably do the same thing though if i had to spend 4 years in the village. </p>

<p>you can't compare places like columbia and cornell to the cooper union, its not even a real university (thats why no one is responding to this thread).</p>

<p>I think it's got one of the most unsightly campuses I've ever seen. Columbia is waaaaay better - I feel I have the right idea from seeing both places. Cornell's campus, from what I hear, is gorgeous - I guess I will find out when I visit it this summer.</p>

<p>In the end, CU really doesn't compare to schools like Columbia and Cornell. Besides, CU specializes in art and science stuff. That's why the GPA of incoming freshmen is only a 3.2 or so. I would think Cornell and Columbia are more academically challenging too. Just a guess.</p>

<p>I really encourage the authors of the previous two posts to look at this site: <a href="http://www.collegeconfidential.com/cgi-bin/discus/show.cgi?4/8738%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.collegeconfidential.com/cgi-bin/discus/show.cgi?4/8738&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>The site compares columbia and cooper and quite a few sided w/ cooper.</p>

<p>to be honest, i just got accepted to the Cooper Union. I'm still not bound to a decision to transfer. This thread may influence my decision.</p>

<p>Wow, is it really that bad? When I compare Cooper to Columbia, I'm strictly comparing the engineering departments. If Cooper really was a P.O.S. like you say it is, why did US NEWS rank it #2 for chemE, EE, and ME and #3 for Civil E. for best undergrad colleges whose highest degree is a masters.</p>

<p>Along this list for USNEWS are places like harvey mudd, swarthmore, etc...Certainly very good schools.</p>

<p>Any criticism is okay, I just want the truth. If Cooper was that bad, why would it be so selective? Also, the low GPA is because when Cooper chooses Architecture and Art students, they look more for talent than grades. They have this portfolio that they require the art kids to fill out. Grades are not too terribly important for the art students. Also, in response to the previous post, I WISH Cooper was less challenging than Cornell or Columbia but nothing could be further from the truth. </p>

<p>Cooper is ruthless for classes - they were ranked in top 10 most difficult schools when it came to the princeton review.</p>

<p>However, I did not know that it was in the worst location possible in New York. I'm glad you brought that to my attention. But the city in itself is a great place. Can't beat Manhatten right?</p>

<p>Did you get accepted as a transfer to CU and Cornell both? Or to Columbia as well?</p>

<p>Pick the school strongest in what you wish to major in, I say. Orrrr...if maybe one school is a little better in engineering, yet you find yourself happier in the environment of the school with an engineering department that is ALMOST just as great, I'd stick to that school.</p>

<p>Oh and I like Swat quite a bit. I visited it. I'm just not applying to any LACs.</p>

<p>Got accepted to Cornell and Cooper. But Cornell is going to cost a buckload. Cooper is free. No debt after graduation. Plus, I love Manhatten. </p>

<p>However, I'm glad you guys are commenting.That's why I made this site, I need input. I need to know what you guys would do if you were in my shoes. Pay 40K a year and go to Cornell? Or pay nothing for tuition and go to Manhatten? </p>

<p>Though I hear that Cornell is beautiful w/ great campus and all that, I heard that Cornell engineers work like dogs and have little or no time for social life.</p>

<p>My major is chemical engineering by the way. Oh, and regarding Swat, great school and very selective. Congrats for getting admission.</p>

<p>Ouch, did that women really cut her wrists there (cooper square)? Maybe I'm second thoughts about Cooper....</p>

<p>Kind of off topic, but isn't it "Manhattan"?</p>

<p>Congrats on getting accepted to both those schools. I looked in my book and saw Cooper is free, like you mentioned - no tuition, just R&B. Why is that? I'd be tempted to choose CU just for that.</p>

<p>Honestly, from what I've heard from people on CC and others makes it seem like either school is suited for your interest. Wherever you picture yourself happiest is probably the one you oughta choose. I think environment plays a role in that though.</p>

<p>Cooper is free because of the legacy of John Cooper who founded the school: his legacy was that the poor shouldn't have to pay. Now after more than a century and a half, the school still maintains this legacy.</p>

<p>If you think you would be happy at Cooper and NYC, go there. Pick a school based on what you feel; if your instincts say Cooper, send them your decision. But if they say Cornell, go there.</p>

<p>I can't say I know much about the place, but I do know this:</p>

<p>I knew a kid who when applying as a freshman applied to Cooper Union, Yale and some other places. He didn't get into Cooper Union, he did get into Yale, and I think he was upset. He probably would have gone there over Yale.</p>

<p>One of the earlier posts said that Cooper was in a really crappy area. What's the deal? I heard people saying Cooper was in the city and in a great location. Can anyone elaborate on this?</p>

<p>vj,</p>

<p>Several points I would like to mention. I spent some years at Cooper, but hopefully I won't be biased. (Are you a transfer or a freshman? You created two threads and they seem to contradict each other)</p>

<p>Location: I find it outrageous that some of the above posts mention Cooper being at the worst location in nyc; it is, rather, one of its main strengths. I find the location ideal - safe, vibrant, diverse. SOHO and Broadway are 3 minutes away. But if you are concerned about having a campus life, Cornell is a better bet - if you can handle the ultra-suburban life.</p>

<p>Academics: You mention that you may not want to go to Cornell because you wouldn't enjoy the cut-throat atmosphere. Well, in that case you will have to choose Cornell, because Cooper will be even worse. Prepare to take AT LEAST six classes a semester. Only come to Cooper if you are more than confident in your brainpower and persistence. An intense studying atmosphere defines Cooper Union.</p>

<p>Life outside school: It's possible to enjoy yourself at Cooper - if you don't need A's. A reasonable amount of work will get you B's and C's, while you really need to work for your A's. If you want straight A's, you can maybe come out on Friday night two or three times a semester.</p>

<p>Reputation: This one's hard. Saying that you go to Cooper will often get you either "WOW! Seriously?" or "Where is that?" Cornell will usually bring "That's great." You get it. It's up to you what you would prefer; if you are trying to impress aunt Sally, go to Cornell. If you want to impress your future employers, Cooper may have a slight edge, because in my opinion you are better off REALLY impressing a reasonable number of companies rather than giving a decent impression to a larger number. Although this is an extreme case, I have gotten an internship before at a top engineering company literally by saying "I go to Cooper."</p>

<p>Alumni network: Not surprisingly, the Cooper alumni network is limited in number - although many are elites and will love to help out Cooper graduates since the school really means something special to those who went. Yet, the Cornell alumni network is still surely one of the most powerful in the nation.</p>

<p>Money: No competition here. Although New York has high living costs, I've seen people spend less than 15k a year, and part of that could get covered by financial aid, not to mention the free tuition.</p>

<p>Flexibility: Only consider Cooper if you are sure about engineering as your undergrad major. You will have to transfer out if you realize that engineering is not for you - which is exactly what I had to do. But remember that majoring in engineering for your undergrad doesn't mean that you have to keep pursuing it.</p>

<p>Your major (ChemE): I don't know anything about the Cornell ChemE department, but I can tell you about Cooper. I would say its reputation is average among the engineering majors available at Cooper. Electrical engineering is the most rigorous, while civil engineering is generally said to be the easiest while still maintaining great job prospects. ChemE seniors last year, despite the size of the school, mostly got great jobs or went to grad school - employers were mainly top chemE companies like Exxon. On the other hand, the Cooper ChemE department isn't involved in too much research due to a lack of graduate students, while Cornell is a huge research institution.</p>

<p>The decision ultimately depends on what's more important to you, since Cooper has so many extreme pros and cons. Hope this helped, and good luck making your decision.</p>

<p>groundforce,</p>

<p>I'm a transfer student.</p>

<p>In any case, that was an excellent review and I'm very happy that you posted that. The past few weeks, I've been struggling to decide what school to attend. I've been trying to go to a school where it's not too "hard" or "cut-throat". I've even considered going to Bucknell because I heard people are bit relaxed there (not that Bucknell engineering is easy). </p>

<p>However, I realize that the best engineer is the one that has the most intensive education. The best school is the school the prepares the student in the most rigorous manner because that is the way to ensure that the student will succeed and thrive in this competitive world of ours. </p>

<p>I will most likely end up choosing Cooper. Even though Cornell has a much better campus life (not to mention a bigger opportunity for a social life), I feel that Cooper will better prepare me for engineering. </p>

<p>Besides, I've always loved NYC.</p>

<p>sorry to interrupt, as for architecture, does cooper still beat Cornell in the sense of impressing employers?</p>

<p>bneg,</p>

<p>I am not as knowledgeable about the architecure program at the two schools, but let me share what little I know.</p>

<p>Personally, I consider the architecture program the most prestigious at Cooper. They only accept about 15 students every year, leading to an acceptance lower than 5%.</p>

<p>It's also the most intense program (5 years) - most of your classmates are simply over-achievers and from what I hear it's tough to keep up with them.</p>

<p>In terms of job prospectives, which seems to be your main concern, I think I saw about six or seven architecture firms at the spring career fair. That's one company at the career fair for every two seniors, with many other opportunities out there. (Guess what school the chief architect of the new World Trade Center went to?)</p>

<p>On the other hand I know that Cornell also has one of the best architecture schools in the world. But I know little about it so I can't really give you a detailed comparison.</p>

<p>wow. it's hard to believe it's not ranked by DI!</p>

<p>As a non-architecture student, I don't know what DI is, but I guess rankings can differ. I am sure that you will easily find many architecture rankings that rate Cooper Union as one of the top schools. Here's one:</p>

<p><a href="http://www.archsoc.com/kcas/researchschool4.html#best%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.archsoc.com/kcas/researchschool4.html#best&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>I think DI ranks by employment, so I always thought that cooper was not as respected, but a lot of people have already disagreed on that so I really can't get a clear view...</p>

<p>but thank you very much for the link! i think i've seen it once but ignored it because it ranked by research, but I guess with only a b.arch program with such a high score cooper must be excellent because it's among the ivy's m.arch programs.</p>

<p>This might be a new record.</p>