Cooper Union VS. RISD

Hi I think I really need some help from you guys:

It’s approaching May 1 but I am still struggling choosing b/w Cooper Union and RISD…

I noticed that I’m not the only one posting a discussion about choosing b/w these two but still, I cannot decide.
I am architecture major (yearn to study architecture but not 100 sure about being an architect).
Also visited both schools last week and I can picture myself in both of them.

The more I compare them the harder the decision has become.

I’m just gonna talk about the things that I can’t give up of each of the schools:

Cooper Union: I paid much effort to their home test, and I felt really lucky to be appreciated & selected and become one of the thirty students admitted… I just feel that this opportunity is way more precious than that of RISD’s, and I would be really regretful if I go to RISD and find out that architecture is the only thing I want to do later on.

RISD: I think the most attractive thing to me is its flexibility in major. My parents also emphasised that if I was not 100 sure about being an architect, I should go to RISD to try more things out (I can also meet people from Brown maybe). I also feel more relaxed at RISD during the open house.

If there’s really someone out there seeing this and replies I’d be REALLY grateful.

THANKS

THANK YOU. The tuition cost at RISD is higher, but if considering the cost living in NYC it may not be that different. And I guess one thing that has kept me thinking about Cooper is that nearly everyone I know from architecture industry or who is currently an architecture student highly recommends Cooper over RISD…

Thank you so much though :smiley:

Cooper is a school with tremendous internal issues that have not and probably won’t be resolved anytime soon.
At $20,000 plus the highest room/board costs in the country coupled with no real campus amenities(not even a decent café ), well I think given the choice RISD makes more sense. Yes, Cooper has a reputation as a good department but RISD is also probably more well known and well recognized. Plus with RISD affiliation with Brown is huge.
If Cooper were completely free I would understand that choice, but it no longer is free.

Here are some thoughts for you:

Interestingly, RISD has the edge in the Design Intelligence rankings. I don’t have the 2016 edition but a quick internet search places RISD at #6 while CU is not in the top 10. Historically, RISD has bounced between #5 and #10, while Cooper has been all over the place in the top 15-20 range. Looks to me like it’s ranked more similarly with Pratt, at least per Design Intelligence.

RISD is the #1 design school in the US and for architecture specifically is the highest-ranked dedicated design school and typically the only one consistently in the top 10 (competing against some pretty high quality university programs!). That is a significant selling point regardless of other features (such as the close affiliation with Brown, a dedicated campus, etc.). RISD also gives you flexibility in case you opt for something else. While being one of only 30 selected students is certainly prestigious, you need to ask yourself whether that’s a critical mass of fellow students for your first year of studies. One of the main selling points of RISD is that your foundation year will be similar to that of the rest of the first year class (approximately 400 total). You will probably take Foundation with your cohort and get to know those kids very well. But your course of study will be similar to everyone else which allows you to bounce ideas off of future artists and designers of all stripes.

There used to be concerns about CU’s financial stability but hopefully that’s resolved with the new tuition program. RISD has had its share of academic tumult with the previous president but the viability of the institution never appeared to be at stake.

On the other hand, CU is a highly selective program (more so than RISD), would allow you to begin your program of study immediately, and includes the standard math and physics courses (which for the life of me I can’t find anywhere among RISD’s arch. course selections - not even as electives). RISD also offers the BFA in Architecture so if the B.Arch is your goal you’ll want to check to see how many of those architecture majors actually stay the 5th year and pick up the B.Arch. Finally it appears from looking at the numbers that RISD accepts about 30 architecture majors per year so about par with CU.

I took a look at test scores because RISD is known for attracting bright kids but CU definitely has the edge on this one, especially in Math (which I’d expect to be an important factor for architecture!). From College Navigator:

CU (Mid 50% range)

SAT Critical Reading 600 730
SAT Math 650 770
SAT Writing 610 710
ACT Composite 30 34

RISD (Mid 50% range):

SAT Critical Reading 540 670
SAT Math 570 710
SAT Writing 570 690
ACT Composite 27 32
ACT English 27 34
ACT Math 27 33

Of course, CU’s engineering program influences these high test scores but having that engineering influence would actually be an advantage for the architecture program, IMHO. While a RISD student may be able to take engineering courses at Brown, that strong technical influence wouldn’t necessarily be part of RISD’s culture and one can certainly graduate from RISD in architecture w/o taking any technical courses (outside of what’s required for the B.Arch specifically) or w/o even being around other students who think BOTH technically and conceptually.

Some other thoughts: CU has about a 70/30 male/female ratio, and it’s the opposite for RISD. In terms of urban surroundings, the closest major city to RISD is Boston about 50 miles away. While remaining in NY can be pretty cool for an architecture student, there is no doubt that RISD kids get internships and jobs in NYC as well.

Good luck with your decision!

@OUvct215 one additional piece of advice: look at the architectural designs that the students are doing at both schools. Which ones seem to attract you more?

Thank you this is helpful!

Thank you so much for this comprehensive analysis. This is very, very helpful. And yes I have checked some portfolios of the students from both schools. This has been really hard to decide but your comments actually helped.

Deadlines coming up. Have you made a decision yet?

:)